What has the UK become under the far right influence?

Bluemanc100 said:
We can’t win unless we find a way to deter the migrants… Rwanda is a preposterous idea in practice but there are surely other, more cost effective ways of making any future migrants think again before making their journey.. There are plenty of ex-RAF camps for example where we could corale asylum seekers for their own safety and ours whilst putting them through some sort of Citizenship training to support their claim for asylum.. use that time to instil our beliefs and principles and give them an educated decision about whether the UK is really for them… If they were genuinely fleeing persecution then surely they’d be up for this..
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Housing and educating asylum seekers about life in the UK and what to expect is a good idea. Many would have family here too, which would also help with integration.

The UK is one of the best European countries when it comes to integrating immigrants and anything that helps that process can only be of benefit.
 
mexico1970 said:
The same suspects blaming the UK for a problem caused by the EU, these migrants entered the EU and then went through the UK to rejoin the UK and for some reason we should have either forced them to stay or helped Ireland to force them over the border against their will.

There's stupid happening on this thread.
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It’s a problem that arises directly from Brexit.

How did the EU cause that?
 
Chris in London said:
It’s a problem that arises directly from Brexit.

How did the EU cause that?
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Well France wont accept them back and they came from an EU country namely France, all they have done is skipped through the UK to get to another EU country. How is that our fault?

If the EU are doing very little to prevent them making the journey through their borders to France then how is that our issue if they make it to Ireland?
 
inbetween said:
It's honestly really hard to argue complicity when a criminal act is taking place.

If I ask a dodgy fella to smuggle me into Europe and it goes wrong then it's my own fault isn't it? You wouldn't say that either country on either side of the water is complicit because they didn't help me to avoid breaking the law....

I can understand an argument on desperation but I don't think that desperation has anything to do with it.

I think that people are coming here purely because that crossing is actually a product sold by criminals. You pay £X and in return you're helped to take a risk and the payoff is a good likelihood of asylum application success, treatment and benefits etc.

The day that 'product' goes sour or something better crops up elsewhere is the day that the crossings will stop.
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On the Rwanda scheme it seems they paid someone £3k plus airfare and board and lodgings for five years to go. Firstly, good luck to the person involved although I reckon they could have shook the Govt down for a larger up front payment and secondly, I don’t think paying and subsidising people to leave is going to be a deterrent- indeed for some it may be an incentive :)
 
BobKowalski said:
On the Rwanda scheme it seems they paid someone £3k plus airfare and board and lodgings for five years to go. Firstly, good luck to the person involved although I reckon they could have shook the Govt down for a larger up front payment and secondly, I don’t think paying and subsidising people to leave is going to be a deterrent- indeed for some it may be an incentive :)
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Stupid policy designed by stupid people.
 
mexico1970 said:
Well France wont accept them back and they came from an EU country namely France, all they have done is skipped through the UK to get to another EU country. How is that our fault?

If the EU are doing very little to prevent them making the journey through their borders to France then how is that our issue if they make it to Ireland?
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The UK is not in the EU and they arrived in Ireland via a non-EU country and therefore not eligible for return to an EU country I would imagine. The UK is therefore the country on the hook so to speak.

The historic travel agreement between Ireland and UK and the complicated position of NI means travel is easier between the RoI, NI and GB; add in the Good Friday Agreement and it’s a tricky one.
 
BobKowalski said:
The UK is not in the EU and they arrived in Ireland via a non-EU country and therefore not eligible for return to an EU country I would imagine. The UK is therefore the country on the hook so to speak.

The historic travel agreement between Ireland and UK and the complicated position of NI means travel is easier between the RoI, NI and GB; add in the Good Friday Agreement and it’s a tricky one.
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It's all a bit tricky isn't it? What is tricky is that France are refusing anyone back who passed through their borders. If the EU and the UK can't come to a grown up agreement then this is the end result.
 
Bluemanc100 said:
It’s a shit sandwich for the volunteers… I don’t believe that they deserve to be put in a position where they have to ferry predominantly economic migrants who leave France voluntarily to try and reach the UK..
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What a **** of a post.
So much wrong with it.
 
BobKowalski said:
Big up the asylum system? What are you? Eight years old or something?

Aiding people fleeing persecution is a worthy goal. It beats supporting those doing the persecuting. We all have to pick a side, I guess. I’m comfy with mine.

Yes.
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Pro something big up/champion. Nothing to do with age your comprehension of basic English meanings ain't my problem.


Excellent so years of moaning about brexit and years of inviting everyone over to the UK you are voting for in effect a brexit party and a party that may keep the Rwanda policy until they can come up with another load of nonsense.

Haha what a pillock.

Whats the saying own What you vote for? Who said that?
 
A: Doing something is more difficult than doing nothing.
B: Western democracy countries already have the narrative "freedom, democracy, open society".
So just make it simple ,plus A to B, it means "let them in".
Yes, they are illegal immigates. But just do what Americans do, let them in, it will be good to your economy, it will be good to your election. Don't worry about anything else.
 
hilts said:
No it's not. You never back up your position.Even when voting in an election which seems incredibly stupid. You are that passionate about something you vote the opposite.
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Like you did in voting Green.

There are more than one policy to base your decision of who to vote for.
 
hilts said:
Environment
A change to the voting system

Thats two and in fairness they trump pretty much everything else.
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Which is fine, but in doing so, you also voted for an open border policy. It doesn’t mean you endorse it, but it was in their manifesto.

No party is going to match all of a person’s wants/wishes, so you vote for the one that is closest.
 
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