What has the UK become under the far right influence?

Bigga said:
At the behest of explaining it again, I say Rasc knows where I stand on things.

If he's not offended or annoyed at what I said, it's because he knows from which position I am on the political sphere.

And that's good enough for me.
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Only kidding mate
 
stonerblue said:
Hmmm?
I know the RF councillors and the work they have done in the last 3 years. They have been out and about in the community and actually listen to the populus which, given all the other parties have been conspicuous by their absence, has made them quite popular
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The irony is that for many years Bury MBC was dominated by the 'Radcliffe Mafia' as they were known, a group of senior Labour Councillors whose seats were in - Radcliffe.

For some reason, the people of Radcliffe perceive themselves as oppressed by evil Bury. But the town's problems are almost 100% down to economic factors beyond the control of any council, notably the decline of the textile and paper industries that once provided many jobs - albeit low-paid ones. That industry is never going to return, and no amount of inward-looking parochialism will change that.

Come to think of it - it's a metaphor for Brexit Britain.
 
BrianW said:
The irony is that for many years Bury MBC was dominated by the 'Radcliffe Mafia' as they were known, a group of senior Labour Councillors whose seats were in - Radcliffe.

For some reason, the people of Radcliffe perceive themselves as oppressed by evil Bury. But the town's problems are almost 100% down to economic factors beyond the control of any council, notably the decline of the textile and paper industries that once provided many jobs - albeit low-paid ones. That industry is never going to return, and no amount of inward-looking parochialism will change that.

Come to think of it - it's a metaphor for Brexit Britain.
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Bang on but have to say some factory jobs were very well paid.
 
BrianW said:
The irony is that for many years Bury MBC was dominated by the 'Radcliffe Mafia' as they were known, a group of senior Labour Councillors whose seats were in - Radcliffe.

For some reason, the people of Radcliffe perceive themselves as oppressed by evil Bury. But the town's problems are almost 100% down to economic factors beyond the control of any council, notably the decline of the textile and paper industries that once provided many jobs - albeit low-paid ones. That industry is never going to return, and no amount of inward-looking parochialism will change that.

Come to think of it - it's a metaphor for Brexit Britain.
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Long before Brexit Radcliffe town centre like many town centres was very rundown so it doesn’t surprise me they put Radcliffe first in, any councillor that might bring hope and change to the local community imo
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
Long before Brexit Radcliffe town centre like many town centres was very rundown so it doesn’t surprise me they put Radcliffe first in, any councillor that might bring hope and change to the local community imo
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Yes, but don't you see? The mental process was the same. Hitting out in frustration at a perceived enemy instead of the real enemy. That's what I was getting at.

Whether the Council is Labour, Tory, Lib-Dem, Green, Reform or the Tooting Popular Front they are powerless in the face of economic reality and the changes in the national economy. Radcliffe will never be what it was, any more than Britain will be. You have to build a new paradigm, which cannot be done via simplistic slogans or solutions. It involves facing up to what the world is now, not what it was in some idealised version of 1958.
 
Looking for music I just stumbled into a propaganda thread of the worst kind on you-tube, “Muslims are planning to take over Britain” 415 thousand views in one month. Muslims infiltrating government and the army. So help me I’ve heard of such things but never before read about it on public you tube
This is where a “stop the boats“ campaign gets us I blame the conservative policy they have used to fight an election on as stirring up racial hatred just to win votes.
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
Looking for music I just stumbled into a propaganda thread of the worst kind on you-tube, “Muslims are planning to take over Britain” 415 thousand views in one month. Muslims infiltrating government and the army. So help me I’ve heard of such things but never before read about it on public you tube
This is where a “stop the boats“ campaign gets us I blame the conservative policy they have used to fight an election on as stirring up racial hatred just to win votes.
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The Tories will spout that shite on SM once the election is called.

Frog faced Führer has already started on Gbeebies.
 
stonerblue said:
Hmmm?
I know the RF councillors and the work they have done in the last 3 years. They have been out and about in the community and actually listen to the populus which, given all the other parties have been conspicuous by their absence, has made them quite popular
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What have they done?

Ah, just looked at their website. They're NIMBYs.
 
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Regarding Stuart Everett. Another park has now been closed down. Parr Fold in Walkden. Linked to the same murder that has also seen Boggart Hole Clough shut for the last three weeks.

Some sick shit, that. Disposing of him all over the place.
 
What has the UK become?
On the face of it the question is just another version of the perennial "ain't we shit" so beloved by political affiliates (of all sides) not getting their own way. However, I think what has happened is not politically based at all but social and can be summed up by two phrases and one huge social change.

1: The harder I work the luckier I become.
2: From the cradle to the grave (usually associated with the NHS but can be applied in multiple instances)
3: Social change is the huge influence of women in all aspects of life since they were given the vote in 1928(?). Which is obviously correct if you believe in democracy.

My whole argument is that the greater influence of women has meant we have moved from an ultra competitive, testosterone, macho, winner takes all attitude to a much more gentler, caring, work/life balanced, quality over quantity attitude.

So, "The harder I work the luckier I become" phrase is pointing out you will not become or remain a champion world beating country by having a work/life balance because someone else somewhere will just have a work/work balance and overtake us.

The second phrase "From the cradle to the grave" is beloved by very many (utterly detested by others). It sounds great but usually means the middle and upper classes making 'pets' out of the working class. For me, going back to Darwin and 'survival of the fittest' and 'natural selection' it takes out that necessary competitiveness to achieve economic success.

Bottom line: No one get's it all. We can be an economic powerhouse (which means working longer and harder) or we can become a more caring, feminine dominated society but have to accept we will be less competitive and presumably poorer.
 
Palerider said:
What has the UK become?
On the face of it the question is just another version of the perennial "ain't we shit" so beloved by political affiliates (of all sides) not getting their own way. However, I think what has happened is not politically based at all but social and can be summed up by two phrases and one huge social change.

1: The harder I work the luckier I become.
2: From the cradle to the grave (usually associated with the NHS but can be applied in multiple instances)
3: Social change is the huge influence of women in all aspects of life since they were given the vote in 1928(?). Which is obviously correct if you believe in democracy.

My whole argument is that the greater influence of women has meant we have moved from an ultra competitive, testosterone, macho, winner takes all attitude to a much more gentler, caring, work/life balanced, quality over quantity attitude.

So, "The harder I work the luckier I become" phrase is pointing out you will not become or remain a champion world beating country by having a work/life balance because someone else somewhere will just have a work/work balance and overtake us.

The second phrase "From the cradle to the grave" is beloved by very many (utterly detested by others). It sounds great but usually means the middle and upper classes making 'pets' out of the working class. For me, going back to Darwin and 'survival of the fittest' and 'natural selection' it takes out that necessary competitiveness to achieve economic success.

Bottom line: No one get's it all. We can be an economic powerhouse (which means working longer and harder) or we can become a more caring, feminine dominated society but have to accept we will be less competitive and presumably poorer.
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First off, I want to be a cat if adopted. Preferably by a wealthy woman with banging breasts. Secondly, it’s a hard no on the work harder and longer option. If people want to work themselves into an early grave then have at it, but I’ll go for the European model. Social safety nets, generous pensions, starting work at ten and taking August off.

You get one life, so fucking milk it - I may trademark this motto and become a life coach.
 
BobKowalski said:
First off, I want to be a cat if adopted. Preferably by a wealthy woman with banging breasts. Secondly, it’s a hard no on the work harder and longer option. If people want to work themselves into an early grave then have at it, but I’ll go for the European model. Social safety nets, generous pensions, starting work at ten and taking August off.

You get one life, so fucking milk it - I may trademark this motto and become a life coach.
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When i first read this i thought.....Starting work at 10. That's a bit young! Lol.......
 
BobKowalski said:
First off, I want to be a cat if adopted. Preferably by a wealthy woman with banging breasts. Secondly, it’s a hard no on the work harder and longer option. If people want to work themselves into an early grave then have at it, but I’ll go for the European model. Social safety nets, generous pensions, starting work at ten and taking August off.

You get one life, so fucking milk it - I may trademark this motto and become a life coach.
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Yes, I know that if we had an election you would get elected and I would not be getting my deposit back! However, to jump on the moral high ground (and why not), if sustainability and leaving something for future generations matters then we have to at least be as competitive as other countries. Otherwise we are just in a very, very slow Fall of the Roman Empire type scenario.
 
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