monty silva
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Why play Trent because of his passing ability then completely bypass him and smash it up to Kane? Weird.
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Serbia v England - Sun 16th June, 20:00 | Euro 2024 Group C
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If they win , you can guarantee Southgate will be knighted,It's only going to get much worse !
Pickford is clearly brainless, and his instinct is always to twat the ball as hard as he can through the middle of the pitch.
But that last night was also a symptom of a bigger problem - namely, our inability to build up and play through the lines. No great surprise - Alexander-Arnold isn‘t a midfielder and looks utterly out of his depth working in tight spaces. And Rice isn‘t very good at receiving the ball from the back 4 with his back to the game/on the half turn - hence why he doesn‘t do that job for Arsenal. You could practically see Stones and Guehi pleading with someone to make themselves available but to no avail. Back to Pickford, whalloped upfield. Rinse and repeat.
Can‘t see it changing either, as Southgate is wedded to the idea of Bellingham at 10.
But that last night was also a symptom of a bigger problem - namely, our inability to build up and play through the lines. No great surprise - Alexander-Arnold isn‘t a midfielder and looks utterly out of his depth working in tight spaces. And Rice isn‘t very good at receiving the ball from the back 4 with his back to the game/on the half turn - hence why he doesn‘t do that job for Arsenal. You could practically see Stones and Guehi pleading with someone to make themselves available but to no avail. Back to Pickford, whalloped upfield. Rinse and repeat.
Can‘t see it changing either, as Southgate is wedded to the idea of Bellingham at 10.
Magicpole
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Bang on. I was thinking the same. Great individual talent, but as a team not so cohesive or effective. And Southgate to me is too timid in his approach. He shouid be getting a more dynamic tune out if them and if he doesn’t you will he handed your arse the first top team you face. He gets it right and you are in with a chance of winning it. I got a cold shiver even writing that. ;)Yep.
Obviously a team looking to win it doesn't need to look blistering every game. We saw Portugal win it without winning a group game. The issue I have is i simply don't see us having many more levels than we had last night. As individuals they do, but as a team and with waistcoat I think that last night is pretty much what we are and I don't see it changing in the next few weeks.
I don't think we will be troubling any of the real contenders once we go up against them. But what's new? In the last 3 tournaments we went deep but the route to get there was very kind to us. We come unstuck once we're in some kind of near 50/50. I expect the same.
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I'm sick to bleeding death of hearing about Jude Bellingham already.
Get used to it
He's the golden boy of English football in the eyes of the media.
Even the commentators do not point out his mistakes. There was a point in the second half where he knocked the ball right into the path of their attacker near our box and put the defence in danger. Not a single word about it in commentary. It wasn't much better than Arnold's near howler in the first half but I think most people missed it because the commentators didn't mention it and the replay only showed the shot and not the fact Bellingham nearly put Serbia through on goal.
I'm not blaming the replays because that's pretty much done by a central broadcasting team, but I believe think the English commentators consciously don't say anything negative about him
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If they win , you can guarantee Southgate will be knighted,
What about Jude ?
the-ecstacy-of-eight
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... the biased bell-end brought his "cup final commentary" with him and had more than one or two sly digs at the City lads last night, whilst being really quick to follow and instances where Bellingham or Arnold fucked up with glowing oooh!s and aaaaah!s riddled comments for a simple pass/move.Compare that with Shearer's eagerness to pounce when Foden lost the ball cheaply midway through the Second Half.
The craziest thing about the bit you highlighted above was it wasn't even Foden, and in his next comment the bald pricks just said "Oh, it was Gallagher!".
It's the drip-drip tactics at play again.
I'm honestly not. Obviously I root for our own whilst England are playing but can also give praise where praise is due to others.I think your telling pokies
It's just that the media seems to have set a narrative with JB early on and are now doubling down.
Yes he is a very good player, but anyone would think he was Messi!
Gordyola
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No left back, apart from a crock, Southgate has been England manger for years yet, he hasn't see the possibility of a problem if the only LB is injured and worse that LB hasn't played since February
The guy is incompetent just this single example says so
We have a bunch of good players who perform at their highest level for their clubs, those clubs have the best managers England don't have the manager capable of devising a system for these players he doesn't have the tactical ability to formulate a game plan for each match and during games he is doesn't make adjustment or react to the ones made by his opponent This is why we can start well but then gradually get worse
The guy is incompetent just this single example says so
We have a bunch of good players who perform at their highest level for their clubs, those clubs have the best managers England don't have the manager capable of devising a system for these players he doesn't have the tactical ability to formulate a game plan for each match and during games he is doesn't make adjustment or react to the ones made by his opponent This is why we can start well but then gradually get worse
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everyone on here has an irrational hatred of Bellingham it seems, he was the only fucker who looked any good last night. Just saying.
He scored a goal made by Saka and then did fuck for the rest of the game.
He's supposed to be the number 10 but went charging round the pitch in everyone else's position.
He wants to be the star player every time he gets the ball instead of playing a simple pass.
Twitter football (teenagers and men that haven't grown up) will just focus on the goal and some tackles.
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Don't need to. I have eyes and ears and emotional intelligence. Apparently many lack the latter. This isn't a surprise, it's part of the human condition, but it sure is irritating to read/watch/listen to.So you've met Bellingham have you?
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Fordyboy46
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Bellingham seems to ignore him I've noticed that, can't stand the prickIt's more to do with the he's playing in a system which just doesn't suit him. Time and again especially in the second half he was finding pockets of space but his teammates either didn't see him or ignored to pass to him and he increasingly got more and more frustrated. Foden needs to player under a manager like Pep rather than Mr Beige to flourish
I'd agree with this. Teams that have a lot of players in the Euros may struggle at the start of next season. It's not just the tiredness, it's the emotions of going through a tournamentYou know what, I don't give a sh1t about England, Spain, Portugal , etc.
I wish they were all knocked out ASAP and our players this time next week were booking a long summer holiday, international football is painful.
I think Bellingham is very talented, has had a great season and deserves his place in this England team. But I don't buy this narrative that he's enormously mature for his age. That's fine in itself - he's little more than a kid, develop him right and I'm sure he'll be a real leader in 5 or 10 years' time. But right now I think he needs the manager and the more experienced players to remind him that this is a team game, he's not the saviour of English football, and he has a role to play that's more than just doing whatever and going wherever he wants.
Watching the other teams so far this tournament, you can see that the vast majority of them, especially the better teams, have a plan and a structure and play in patterns. That doesn't mean there's no room for improvisation or creativity, it's just about teammates knowing what to expect of each other. I appreciate this is harder in a national team than at a club due to not playing together so much, but plenty of other countries manage it.
We have too many players being given too much freedom. Bellingham is one but he's not the only one. The defence pretty much sorts itself out most of the time because it's naturally a less ego-driven area of the pitch. Further forward, Southgate needs to lay down the law about what spaces people need to take up and what patterns of play the team is aiming for - and that needs to be based on how best to win matches, not appeasing players who'd rather be doing something else.
And that includes Phil. I love Phil and would much prefer him to be playing centrally, but if the decision is to play him on the left then we need to get him occupying space on the left and attacking from there. And if he's not the best in the squad at that role, play someone else there. Last night the left-hand side was an empty space for most of the match. It won't work against better opposition.
Watching the other teams so far this tournament, you can see that the vast majority of them, especially the better teams, have a plan and a structure and play in patterns. That doesn't mean there's no room for improvisation or creativity, it's just about teammates knowing what to expect of each other. I appreciate this is harder in a national team than at a club due to not playing together so much, but plenty of other countries manage it.
We have too many players being given too much freedom. Bellingham is one but he's not the only one. The defence pretty much sorts itself out most of the time because it's naturally a less ego-driven area of the pitch. Further forward, Southgate needs to lay down the law about what spaces people need to take up and what patterns of play the team is aiming for - and that needs to be based on how best to win matches, not appeasing players who'd rather be doing something else.
And that includes Phil. I love Phil and would much prefer him to be playing centrally, but if the decision is to play him on the left then we need to get him occupying space on the left and attacking from there. And if he's not the best in the squad at that role, play someone else there. Last night the left-hand side was an empty space for most of the match. It won't work against better opposition.
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Bellingham was excellent but everything he showed was justification for dropping him deeper alongside Rice. He wants the ball and wants to make things happen, so get him deeper where he can pick it up from the defence/keeper - exactly what we always miss in this England side. Get Foden ahead of him, they can rotate positions and play off each other. Get Gordon/Eze wide left to stretch the pitch and bring more natural width and then you'll see the midfield thrive.
If the idea was to leave an aging CF high up and not get involved unless challenging for an aimless pump up the pitch from a keeper with about as much intelligence as a squashed hedgehog and to shoehorn players into positions that led to them getting into each others way then top job Gareth.
First 15 mins England actually looked cohesive and tidy which left them with a deserved lead. Why on earth they reverted to type for the following 75 I’ve no idea. They were actively time wasting from the 80th minute against a team who would likely be spanked by Crewe Alexander.
First 15 mins England actually looked cohesive and tidy which left them with a deserved lead. Why on earth they reverted to type for the following 75 I’ve no idea. They were actively time wasting from the 80th minute against a team who would likely be spanked by Crewe Alexander.
Would you if he played in sky blue?
Bellingham currently doesn't have the discipline to be in a Pep team.
He also has a huge ego and Pep avoids those players.
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You conclude he is 'arrogant' and has a massive ego just by looking at him? That's a remarkable super-power.Don't need to. I have eyes and ears and emotional intelligence. Apparently many lack the latter. This isn't a surprise, it's part of the human condition, but it sure is irritating to read/watch/listen to.