City launch legal action against the Premier League | Club & PL reach settlement | Proceedings dropped (p1147)

domalino said:
A few days ago @projectriver tweeted something like “I wonder how many other arbitrations are going on that just haven’t been leaked” and it got me wondering…If an independent regulator comes in styled on OFCOM, OFWAT etc. - will all this confidential PL stuff become subject to FOIA requests? Probably not the content, but how many arbitrations there have been? Official voting records at club meetings etc.
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It’s a very good point considering without the leak no one would know about City’s.
 
halfcenturyup said:
This fucking Wyness "gobshite for hire" is doing my head in. Every day he is in my newsfeed with some more nonsense. A couple of days ago he was saying that if City lose the 115 case they will set up a new SL with Saudi Arabia; the next day he was saying the government will step in to stop City joining a SL; today he is saying the APT case will be "squashed" but City's win will be to have tied up resources at the PL. Every fucking day. Just shut up, man.

The one thing I won't miss when all this is over is the financial and legal experts who keep crawling out of the woodwork into the press.
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It is business not football, but you can see why he had a job at Everton, and why they sacked him, he will say anything for money.
 
halfcenturyup said:
This fucking Wyness "gobshite for hire" is doing my head in. Every day he is in my newsfeed with some more nonsense. A couple of days ago he was saying that if City lose the 115 case they will set up a new SL with Saudi Arabia; the next day he was saying the government will step in to stop City joining a SL; today he is saying the APT case will be "squashed" but City's win will be to have tied up resources at the PL. Every fucking day. Just shut up, man.

The one thing I won't miss when all this is over is the financial and legal experts who keep crawling out of the woodwork into the press.
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It’s interesting that you say that.

Every day on my news feed he pipes up with an opinion re my team . Those opinions are based on nothing other than what has been put in the public domain yet he seems to suggest at every tip and turn he knows everything about everything and to be honest I doubt very much if he knows where his clean y fronts are stored lett alone the innermost workings at PL clubs

Just like the City matters we can only speculate but one point of caution I would hasten is the source of these leaks and whilst it’s almost certainly someone at another club or the PL I would keep an open mind because a lot of people both at City, the PL and the two legal teams are potentially the source if for no other reasons than 1)to put the panel members under pressure and 2) dropping a little hint to a journalist may well result in a favour back, such as a heads up in a matter, at some point in the future
 
terraloon said:
It’s interesting that you say that.

Every day on my news feed he pipes up with an opinion re my team . Those opinions are based on nothing other than what has been put in the public domain yet he seems to suggest at every tip and turn he knows everything about everything and to be honest I doubt very much if he knows where his clean y fronts are stored lett alone the innermost workings at PL clubs

Just like the City matters we can only speculate but one point of caution I would hasten is the source of these leaks and whilst it’s almost certainly someone at another club or the PL I would keep an open mind because a lot of people both at City, the PL and the two legal teams are potentially the source if for no other reasons than 1)to put the panel members under pressure and 2) dropping a little hint to a journalist may well result in a favour back, such as a heads up in a matter, at some point in the future
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I think we should take very seriously what Wyness and Jordan have to say on the case against City, as they are both very skilled in the financial dealing of a Football Club !!!
 
terraloon said:
It’s interesting that you say that.

Every day on my news feed he pipes up with an opinion re my team . Those opinions are based on nothing other than what has been put in the public domain yet he seems to suggest at every tip and turn he knows everything about everything and to be honest I doubt very much if he knows where his clean y fronts are stored lett alone the innermost workings at PL clubs

Just like the City matters we can only speculate but one point of caution I would hasten is the source of these leaks and whilst it’s almost certainly someone at another club or the PL I would keep an open mind because a lot of people both at City, the PL and the two legal teams are potentially the source if for no other reasons than 1)to put the panel members under pressure and 2) dropping a little hint to a journalist may well result in a favour back, such as a heads up in a matter, at some point in the future
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He is back today with the view that PIF won't be letting Newcastle support City in the APT case because they will care more about sporting integrity and financial regulation. That's an original view. And bollocks. He is also blathering on still about how City can sign any contract for any amount they want if they win the case. The guy is a buffoon. But he is fucking everywhere. Just a reminder he was CEO of Everton when Mansour was sniffing around his club and they treated him so disrespectfully he eventually came to God's own. Yes sure. Listen to that arsehole.

On your second paragraph, I doubt very much City are leaking anything, it's not the owner's style. And I really can't imagine the legal teams are leaking, can you? Seriously? That leaves the PL who aren't officially leaking, I think, but who, deliberately or not, get messages out to club executives who then leak to the press if it is the right message. I would imagine the arbitrators have made it very clear to the PL that any more leaks about the process will be looked on very unfavourably. Which is why we aren't hearing any.

Anyway, Wyness = arsehole ....
 
Coatigan said:
www.footballinsider247.com

Newcastle don't have PIF backing in Man City battle - Keith Wyness

Football Insider has been told by Keith Wyness that PIF will not want Newcastle to join Man City in the fight against the Premier League.
www.footballinsider247.com www.footballinsider247.com

A week of the same old shite ahead then.
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On this point he maybe right, mind you it does not take a genius, to work out that the press has been lying about the new rule, it makes no difference to Newcastle, so why should they want to support City
 
salfordbluetrue said:
On this point he maybe right, mind you it does not take a genius, to work out that the press has been lying about the new rule, it makes no difference to Newcastle, so why should they want to support City
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The rules were introduced precisely to stop Newcastle and, as they say in their article, City and Newcastle are the only two state-owned clubs in the league .......
 
halfcenturyup said:
The rules were introduced precisely to stop Newcastle and, as they say in their article, City and Newcastle are the only two state-owned clubs in the league .......
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You may know more, but i am under the impression City`s case is about the vote in February, that changed non related sponsors. ie City`s shirt sleeve sponsor which is 5 times bigger than Arsenals, both being not related to their owners, would come under the fair value scrutiny, this fair value body also named in City`s case. while Newcastle may have a problem with this, their problem is with the 2021 change, regarding related sponsors, that they will have to comply with anyway, should they enter UEFA competitions.
 
salfordbluetrue said:
You may know more, but i am under the impression City`s case is about the vote in February, that changed non related sponsors. ie City`s shirt sleeve sponsor which is 5 times bigger than Arsenals, both being not related to their owners, would come under the fair value scrutiny, this fair value body also named in City`s case. while Newcastle may have a problem with this, their problem is with the 2021 change, regarding related sponsors, that they will have to comply with anyway, should they enter UEFA competitions.
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I don't know any more than you do, and that is only what Lawton (was it?) explained poorly in his article. Nobody knows any more, or at least is explaining any more. Funny that.

But I would find it strange to start an action about the legality of APTs without including the original 2021 rules, which City said at the time were probably, in their view, illegal. A club can't take this action very often. Getting it all cleared up in one action would be my thinking.

You are right, though. The February changes were obviously the straw that broke the camel's back. Appropriately enough.
 
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halfcenturyup said:
This fucking Wyness "gobshite for hire" is doing my head in. Every day he is in my newsfeed with some more nonsense. A couple of days ago he was saying that if City lose the 115 case they will set up a new SL with Saudi Arabia; the next day he was saying the government will step in to stop City joining a SL; today he is saying the APT case will be "squashed" but City's win will be to have tied up resources at the PL. Every fucking day. Just shut up, man.

The one thing I won't miss when all this is over is the financial and legal experts who keep crawling out of the woodwork into the press.
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Wyness is an utterly irrelevant ex CEO, who will do and say anything for money.

Please don't give this fool any time or credibility and definitely do not post any link to his comments, that's how he makes a living.
 
halfcenturyup said:
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I don't know any more than you do, and that is only what Lawton (was it?) explained poorly in his article. Nobody knows any more, or at least is explaining any more. Funny that.

But I would find it strange to start an action about the legality of APTs without including the original 2021 rules, which City said at the time were probably, in their view, illegal. A club can't take this action very often. Getting it all cleared up in one action would be my thinking.

You are right, though. The February changes were obviously the straw that broke the camel's back. Appropriately enough.
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We are already limited it what our owners can put in ,or sponsor, due to UEFA, having a different body doing the limiting does not mean much, especially as it would also affect the cartel.
 
salfordbluetrue said:
We are already limited it what our owners can put in ,or sponsor, due to UEFA, having a different body doing the limiting does not mean much, especially as it would also affect the cartel.
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There is a fundamental difference between the UEFA rules, which use the well-established accounting definitions to decide if they should look at FMV or not. Etihad. as an example, isn't a related party for UEFA, but it is "associated" for the PL.

The PL rules go way beyond normal accounting rules, and have been written specifically to counter sponsorship with companies in which any family member of Mansour, or other board members, for example have a degree of influence. That is the problem with the 2021 rules iirc. The PL can interfere in almost any large sponsorship deal that has any connection to the AD government, or Mubadala or any of its investments, or with any company in which any family member of Khaldoon, for example, has influence. These are big, influential families with fingers in lots of pies. In the same way the Newcastle owners and board are. And finally, they don't just want to adjust the revenue down to FMV, they want the two "associated parties" to adjust their contracts and tell them how much is acceptable. It really is a remarkably bad set of rules.

The 2021 rules weren't welcomed by City, but they weren't too onerous. The new February rules are onerous, discriminatory and unnecessary for sporting regulation. I am not surprised the club have said enough is enough.

But to my original point, I would be surprised if, having cast doubt on their legality at the time and having taken such strong action against the PL now, the club hasn't included the 2021 implementation into account to require the PL to write the whole thing again and either scrap it or get it right this time.

All imho, of course. Could be completely wrong :)
 
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