Serbia v England - Sun 16th June, 20:00 | Euro 2024 Group C

[SebastianBlue]

It’s sad how scrutinised football has become.
He beat a man and crossed it and goalie caught it - happens constantly in every match. Yet the sad Twitter world will dissect shit like this to the 9th degree. Most criticising have fuck all knowledge and can’t even play the game.

This is one example of many of Bellingham doing everything he could to hold on to the ball rather than making a fairly simple pass to a player in a better position. Funny enough, there where multiple players frustrated with Bellingham in that sequence alone and in other instances of the same behaviour there were often 2 or more players also frustrated for being ignored.

Once more, this is but one example of many of Bellingham ignoring Foden in a good position through out the match. I counted 7 times but probably missed a few.

This isn’t sad analysis, it is simply analysis.

Bellingham is trying to do too much himself and it is having a negative impact on the team’s overall performance. There were other reasons for our quite unconvincing performance against a not particularly strong side, but that was among them. It was especially problematic in the second half as Bellingham gave away the ball twice (perhaps more) trying to dribble his way out of trouble on the edge of our box rather than playing a simple pass to a teammate in open space (and then likely immediately receiving it back as the one-two would have been on). If that had happened against the likes of France, Spain, or Portugal, rather than Serbia, we would have been much more likely to concede a goal.

He absolutely has bought in to his own hype, to his, Foden’s, and England’s detriment.

He even referred to himself in the third person during post-match interviews last night.

 

[flook]

Interesting how a lot of football fans think Bellingham is a good player & was our best player last night but also think he was a cock last night.

He needs to become a team player asap

you've just described my thoughts from last night

 

[Gingers Dad]

Bowen come on and did very well, put that on a plate for Kane which would have sealed a 2-0 win.

Bowen did OK in that one moment. He's a decent player but he's no Jack Grealish

 

[Brendan110_0]

If I was Foden, I'd take Bellingham out in training, otherwise we're coming home early. It's England not Bellinghamland. Southgate can't handle him.

 

[Gingers Dad]

Allegedly it was dependent on Maguire's fitness - him going home left the squad light on experienced centre-backs and Southgate wanted to maximise his options so he sacrificed an attacking option in Jack in order to take an extra defender.

Off the back of the first match this seems a little foolish - Guehi did pretty well and if he and Stones remain fit they may well be the partnership for the entire tournament. I don't see why they couldn't have sent home either Konsa or Dunk.

I get why Jack was sent home once the decision had been made to lose an attacker - he really hasn't had a great season, and those who are there have done better for their clubs. But if the tactic is to play Phil on the left, I'm not sure we need 2 pacy left wingers on the bench in Eze and Gordon - I'd have kept 1 of them for the option of having someone run at defences, and Jack for the times we want someone disciplined and controlled who can hold on to the ball and play the intricate link-up passes.

And yet Southgate picked both Wharton and Mainoo. Who appear to have exactly the same skill set.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

And yet Southgate picked both Wharton and Mainoo. Who appear to have exactly the same skill set.

Even true visionaries have blind spots :)

 

[BlueHammer85]

It’s just another example of him not picking the best option Mark. Your failure to see this doesn’t mean others have a lack of knowledge, just means that there’s literally no point discussing England with supporters like you who seem to be brainwashed to the point you refuse to see anything negative.

someone referenced how good Euro 96 - one of the last tournaments before the rise of social media/iphones.

we didn't play exciting football all the time, opening game was a bore draw v Switzerland, Scotland wasn't that impressive they missed a penalty before Gazza's memorable goal, Holland was superb, then it was a 0-0 with Spain and a 1-1 draw with Germany before being knocked out - the difference was we didn't have hundreds of pages back then discussing who should be playing where, why so and so is playing, someone outraged Les Ferdinand not getting enough game time, Why Venables is clueless for not taking Ian Wright, watching 10 seconds clips of a bad Darren Anderton pass and saying what he should have done instead.. a tidal wave of constant scrutinizing and throwing in the odd '****' at certain players/manager.

It was such a better time pre social media, country all behind the national team, odd moan down the pub after and then get on with life till the next match.

 

[wagonman]

The Bellingham Band Wagon, driven by several BBC pundits, pulled up to pick me up but, despite the torrential rain, I chose to walk...

JJ

 

[ShorehamCitizen]

What did Bellendham do after and before scoring that goal?. Nothing at all and he got taken off in the end.

This team need to play better than this against the major teams.

 

[blueste41]

He was by passed by his team mates no blue specs I see it as it is

It was a mis placed pass, exactly how was he by passed!!!

 

[laserblue]

 

[EL APACHE TEVEZ]

It was an mis placed pass, exactly how was he by passed!!!

Not once did bellingham or rice pass the ball to him

 

[blueste41]

Not once did bellingham or rice pass the ball to him

The debate stemmed from Shearer saying "that was poor from Foden", that particular pass was poor from Foden. Beyond that he had a generally poor game. Those are facts.

 

[jimharri]

Fair play to Keane and Neville. They're not jumping on the "drop Foden" bandwagon.

 

[Pep Talk561]

I hope Southgate doesn’t bench foden for Gordon or palmer

 

[simon23]

after watching Bellingham play again for England the other night I can safely say I would never ever want us to go for him.....infact he reminds me of Pogba which aint great at all
The hype around him is worse than it was around the likes of Beckham back in the day.....

he aint that good...he is greedy and is not a team player...its all about him and Madrid is the perfect club for him and hopefully he stays there for the rest of his career.....

give me players like Rodri, Foden Gundo David Silva, Ferna, KDB any day of the week over the likes of him....he is not fit to lace the boots of any of those players and countless more from numerous other premiership teams.

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

This is one example of many of Bellingham doing everything he could to hold on to the ball rather than making a fairly simple pass to a player in a better position. Funny enough, there where multiple players frustrated with Bellingham in that sequence alone and in other instances of the same behaviour there were often 2 or more players also frustrated for being ignored.

Once more, this is but one example of many of Bellingham ignoring Foden in a good position through out the match. I counted 7 times but probably missed a few.

This isn’t sad analysis, it is simply analysis.

Bellingham is trying to do too much himself and it is having a negative impact on the team’s overall performance. There were other reasons for our quite unconvincing performance against a not particularly strong side, but that was among them. It was especially problematic in the second half as Bellingham gave away the ball twice (perhaps more) trying to dribble his way out of trouble on the edge of our box rather than playing a simple pass to a teammate in open space (and then likely immediately receiving it back as the one-two would have been on). If that had happened against the likes of France, Spain, or Portugal, rather than Serbia, we would have been much more likely to concede a goal.

He absolutely has bought in to his own hype, to his, Foden’s, and England’s detriment.

He even referred to himself in the third person during post-match interviews last night.

The perfect summary

 

[ROCKET80]

I watched the game back (so you don't have too).

Until we scored we were playing well. In possession we had 3 across the back, Trippier was pretty much playing in the left-wing position, Foden and Bellingham were very close together and popping up all over the forward line, I lost count how many times Foden received the ball on the right wing.

Then we scored, and after the restart you can see a coach shout an instruction to Trippier, following that you see Trippier waving his arms at Foden, seemingly instructing him to stay on the left. Serbia started to push up and with us being less compact which afforded them space to get at Rice and TAA. Bellingham was forced deeper to receive the ball, isolating Kane up top and Foden out left, not drifting into the spaces that we were creating for him and Bellingham in the first 20/30 mins. With no real outlet for distributing the ball from the bac we resorted to lumping it forward to Kane, who had an horrific day up against two physical entre-halves

It does appear Southgate has decided that this is the 'Bellingham team', and this will lead to failure. For England he is regularly picking the wrong option, he takes too long on the ball and more often than not ends up turning into trouble and giving the ball away.

For this England team to work, then Bellingham has to be the number 8, but I can't see Southgate doing that. The story of Soutgate's tenure is that he never knows what his best starting XI looks like going into a tournament, and fails to figure it out as it progresses.

We should have enough to get through to the quarters, then we'll meet a half-decent team and lose again.

 

[PPT]

Says it all…

 

[Blue and true]

Says it all…

You've lost me. What does that say?