Reform 2025 Limited new name same business

[The blue phantom]

Own up, which leftie started this account for a giggle?

Between 18-20% of the Vote is expected to vote Reform so Lefties don't have to create fake accounts. It's just telling us we have a few Million racist among us.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Trump is Putin's bitch too. The whole world saw him shame America at the Helsinki summit where, among other things, he denied Russia was behind the deadly Novichok attack in Salisbury, stated he trusted Russia's security service more than his own and held a closed door meeting with Putin and ordered his translator to destroy all meeting notes.

And asked Putin live on air for help to spread misinformation about Hillary Clinton during a debate. The Mueller investigation. The stealing of intelligence and keeping it in a bathroom. The deliberate undermining of NATO. World has gone mad, honestly

 

[west didsblue]

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All he was trying to do was put into context a reason why Putin invaded Ukraine.... rightly or wrongly.
Putin felt NATO was over the years getting too close to Russia and has what he believes to be the best thing for stopping Ukraine from joining. Whether you like it or not, or agree or disagree this is a point of view.... We do all believe in free speech don't we?

Wrongly

 

[Zablo Pabletta]

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All he was trying to do was put into context a reason why Putin invaded Ukraine.... rightly or wrongly.
Putin felt NATO was over the years getting too close to Russia and has what he believes to be the best thing for stopping Ukraine from joining. Whether you like it or not, or agree or disagree this is a point of view.... We do all believe in free speech don't we?

Yes.

He is a politician making a statement of his politics.

The statement is an excuse for the invasion of a Democratic nation in our continent by an Authoritarian Dictator.

Try saying a woman who got savagely beaten by her psycho husband was asking for it.

You are free to make that statement... and everyone else is free to express their shock, disgust and fear of what is going on in your mind. That's free speech.

 

[west didsblue]

You know exactly what you meant. If you take the poster at face value, he's not a political type but has heard a few things farage has said that have struck a chord. Rather than take the piss and signal your own superiority, just explain that he's probably only aware of the tip of the farage iceberg. That way you might actually change a mind rather than alienate the bloke. This is only one person on here and I'm not blaming you for reform doing well in the polls, but this sort of approach is exactly what got Brexit over the line.

This sort of post is a bit of a theme with you. As far as I’m concerned I don’t really give a rats arse whether a post might be counterproductive and entrench someone’s fascist views. There’s only a few dozen people who post on this thread and if two or three of them vote Reform because someone’s been critical of their posts then so be it. It’s not going to change any outcome, @hilts will tell you. Might as well say what you think rather than pander to them and enter into constructive dialogue with idiots.

 

[Man-chester copperpot]

The hate in here is fervent, it's enough to make one wonder

I read this and thought the same, it’s the same posters on here just regurgitating the same old stuff they posted weeks ago.
You don’t like Reform or Nigel Farage , we get it, most of us don’t.
You may feel better not coming on this thread and getting yourself annoyed
Carter1990 for example - i wouldn’t vote for them but that’s his/her decision

 

[Zablo Pabletta]

Between 18-20% of the Vote is expected to vote Reform so Lefties don't have to create fake accounts. It's just telling us we have a few Million racist among us.

People do get confused, as well. The sands have shifted a lot over the last 10 years. Some people will surely feel they are in the 'safe' camp because Brexit got support, and there's no end of talk about immigration. But others will (rightly in my view) use this statement to draw a line around Farage and Reform. They've just thrown their supporters a nightmare. But reasonably, many won't stop. And I also expect they'll even pick up some supporters as this plays into the anti-Internationalist sentiment stirred up by Palestine/Israel.

The anti-international, anti-democractic thing is to me a kind of madness. It lets us down, but it gets worse, the more people vote for anti-internationalist causes. A self fulfilling prophecy. You aren't replacing people who let you down with those intending to do better. Yoo are replacing them with people who just want the whole system brought down. And then what? Then, more posturing, more war, more suffering, more chaos.

International cooperation and law is clearly still the best hope we have to solve these problems and protect ourselves. If people are disattisfied, we need to use our vote to make sure it's used better. Not to undermine it further.

 

[Zablo Pabletta]

I read this and thought the same, it’s the same posters on here just regurgitating the same old stuff they posted weeks ago.
You don’t like Reform or Nigel Farage , we get it, most of us don’t.
You may feel better not coming on this thread and getting yourself annoyed
Carter1990 for example - i wouldn’t vote for them but that’s his/her decision

It's not so much hate for me. As it is - Fear. That, I confess to. I fear this becoming an ongoing part of British politics. The outcomes are worse - as shown by Brexit - and they won't stop people returning to ask for more.

 

[blueparrot]

I read this and thought the same, it’s the same posters on here just regurgitating the same old stuff they posted weeks ago.
You don’t like Reform or Nigel Farage , we get it, most of us don’t - let the people who do get on with it.
You may feel better not coming on this thread and getting yourself annoyed
Carter1990 for example - i wouldn’t vote for them but that’s his/her decision

No, some parties I don't like, hello conservatives, but I accept some do and will vote for them they have that right. Reform are different they are dangerous and dressed up to seem reasonable. those people that support them should have the reality of those views pointed out,people should do all they can to stop those views being accepted as mainstream or reasonable, the same as we did with NF ,BNP, EDL.

 

[BlueHammer85]

He didn’t need to say it. For all it gives him oxygen, it won’t please a fair chunk of people thinking of voting Reform.

To be fair, he’s held this view for years and said the same shite countless times.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I am 34 never voted in my life don't have a clue about politics but this year I am voting reform. After everything I ve heard and read labour scare the shit out of me

Gullible fool

 

[BlueHammer85]

Holly Valance donated £50k to them, I mean she was fit back in the day but how thick is she.

She probably got paid 200k to make that donation and have a pretty face backing up a racist party.

 

[laserblue]

All he was trying to do was put into context a reason why Putin invaded Ukraine.... rightly or wrongly.
Putin felt NATO was over the years getting too close to Russia and has what he believes to be the best thing for stopping Ukraine from joining. Whether you like it or not, or agree or disagree this is a point of view.... We do all believe in free speech don't we?

Farage apparently believes in the sovereignty of nations which he loudly procalimed why he wanted the UK out of the EU yet he apparently doesn't believe in the sovereignty of nations who applied to join the EU and/or NATO as a result of holding referenda that expressed the overwhelming desire of their people to do so.

Farage is a hypocrite as well as a ****.

 

[Man-chester copperpot]

No, some parties I don't like, hello conservatives, but I accept some do and will vote for them they have that right. Reform are different they are dangerous and dressed up to seem reasonable. those people that support them should have the reality of those views pointed out,people should do all they can to stop those views being accepted as mainstream or reasonable, the same as we did with NF ,BNP, EDL.

There is nothing more we would like but for them to change their minds and not to vote for them. But he/she posted his opinion and been called a fool, idiot which doesnt help.
Maybe someone (with a lot more knowledge on politics than me) could talk to him/her and maybe, just maybe change the persons mind.
He/she may not be aware of the consequences of voting for them
Like the original poster said, a lot of hate on here - that’s why i stay out of the Israel-Palastine thread

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

To be fair, he’s held this view for years and said the same shite countless times.

Absolutely. He’s just an outrage machine saying all sorts of daft shit to try and get the gullible to latch on to one of his madcap grifts.

You’ve got Conservative voters fearful of tax rises under Labour that will vote Farage despite his pledges costing the economy uncosted hundreds of billions of pounds.

It’s like they want to vote for the economics of Truss and the foreign policy of Corbyn.

There is no reasoning with these idiots. Hence we are where we are.

 

[blueparrot]

There is nothing more we would like but for them to change their minds and not to vote for them. But he/she posted his opinion and been called a fool, idiot etc…..
Maybe someone (with a lot more knowledge on politics than me) could talk to him/her and maybe, just maybe change his mind.
He/she may not be aware of the consequences of voting for them
Like the original poster said, a lot of hate on here - that’s why i stay out of the Israel-Palastine thread

Probably, but this isn't the forum that any minds get changed. I just think if they are voting reform, they should realise it isn't a mainstrem party it trys to pretend it is.

 

[Zablo Pabletta]

There is nothing more we would like but for them to change their minds and not to vote for them. But he/she posted his opinion and been called a fool, idiot which doesnt help.
Maybe someone (with a lot more knowledge on politics than me) could talk to him/her and maybe, just maybe change the persons mind.
He/she may not be aware of the consequences of voting for them
Like the original poster said, a lot of hate on here - that’s why i stay out of the Israel-Palastine thread

TBF this is something I have to overcome in myself.

I remember being 20 and down the pub, and having constructive conversations on politics. I remembered that it was obvious back then, you have to listen patiently and think how to relate to the other person's perspective.

On the internet, it's far too easy to lapse into emotional reactions. That is pretty much how it works. People speak more "freely". We're less worried about offending someone than in real life. But we're as quick to take offense.

Patience and respect for every person you meet is essential on the net. And I have to keep trying not to react. I keep failing, but every time I pull it together I'm a little bit happier with my response to this situation. A little calmer. Because it's a bit of an illusion. People haven't changed. We maybe forgot to be realistic about life and who 'we are'.

 

[blueinsa]

Between 18-20% of the Vote is expected to vote Reform so Lefties don't have to create fake accounts. It's just telling us we have a few Million racist among us.

Check under your bed tonight before you go to sleep is my best advice.

They are EVERYWHERE!!

 

[mosssideblue]

Farage is a dangerous bell end.

 

[hilts]

Out of curiosity, who do you want as Prime Minster?

I'm a green voter so it doesn't matter what I want. Barring something bad happening to him Starmer will be the next PM, its why he should be open to scrutiny. Its why his thread and Labour one is getting busier. His supporters should expect this and accept he will fuck up.