The Album Review Club - Week #192 (page 1292) - 3ft High & Rising - De La Soul

mancity2012_eamo said:
Thank You.
For that matter, where’s Gary and how the fook does the Hedge get considered ahead of both of them.
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Even fucking Gibson had to acknowledge Rory on their Rop 50 guitarists and I'm not sure he ever held one*............

* Although pre-warning that The Edge has yet again made the list and Clapton is rated at 4 FFS!
 
Onholiday(somemightsay) said:
Even fucking Gibson had to acknowledge Rory on their Rop 50 guitarists and I'm not sure he ever held one*............

* Although pre-warning that The Edge has yet again made the list and Clapton is rated at 4 FFS!
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Listen. There’s people on that list that I really like as artists but as guitarists I wouldn’t have them any way close to Rory. Or Gary for that matter.

The list looks more to do with how popular a band was, for the most part.
 
Whys Duane Eddy not on that list ? Absolute legend who inspired the likes of Clapton, Page and Townshend to name a few. And no Dave Davies or Hank Marvin either. Proper American heavy poll which makes it more head scratching why Eddy isn't on it. Back to Definitely Maybe. The album which restored Manchester back to the top of the music pile..and City fans to boot. Exceptional, another that's in my top 10 albums. 9.5/10.
Edit: No Johnny Marr either. For some reason I thought he was on it, but on reading it again he isn't:(
 
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threespires said:
Be really interesting to look at the ages of the high and low scorers on this one. Obviously they really rode and to some degree defined the zeitgeist at that moment. I suspect I was simply a bit too old and had heard a bit too much to buy into it. I don't know if I'd have been in my teens or early twenties whether they'd have resonated more.

My dad died a couple of months before this was released and in a sense that had aged me a little bit further by the time this arrived. Anyway I'm drifting into context I said I would ignore.
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Im 66. I listened to this back in 94 when I will have been 37. I remember it made me feel young again. Still Love Oasis.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
I think I’m going to be very unpopular, this round.
I’m on first listen and I’m struggling.
I’ll try my best to get through this as objectively as possible and put some coherent thoughts together, but listening to Liam Gallagher is not my idea of fun.
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Mine either, he just grates on me. I just can't do a full album. Plus the music is all so simple and predictable I can't take it that seriously, although I accept it was important to the kids back then (but I wasn't a kid).
Shakermaker annoyed me, nicking most of the melody from "I'd Like To Teach The World To Sing" by the New Seekers (used on the Coke advert in the 70's) and Liam wanting to build a house from plasticine. (let's see, what rhymes with "been").
I do give Noel G a bit of a nod for settling out of court to the tune of half a million dollars to The New Seekers who probably couldn't afford a court case.
It all just seems so contrived and "inspired" by previous musicians, but this time using Liam's snarling attack dog vocal delivery.
Whilst I appreciate Oasis were very popular but I just couldn't take them seriously (still can't).
When put up against a certain "classic" album like Forever Changes, it is completely outdone in terms of ideas, composition and lyrics.
Mainly due to immature chords and ideas, (I can only judge it on the music, and whether it appeals to me) so for me it's a 5.
 
Shakermaker was a joke it wasn’t pinched off any one from the get-go, they said it was fun, there’s only eight notes Noel wrote some great songs I would give DM max points up there with the best of British music.
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
Shakermaker was a joke it wasn’t pinched off any one from the get-go, they said it was fun, there’s only eight notes Noel wrote some great songs I would give DM max points up there with the best of British music.
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It's officially been nicked from The New Seekers. They sued. And won.
 
OB1 said:
List is a bit of a joke: they don’t even include Ritchie Blackmore.
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Jokes aside how Tommy Emmanuel isn't in the top 10 let alone top 50 is somewhat bizarre.

Finger picking good to quote Colonial Sanders.

I might be a tad parochial but Chet Atkins labelled him the best guitarist on the planet and that is enough for me.

Like all masters of their craft he would want to cover a master piece on guitar namely Classical Gas.

For those on here that by some chance haven't had the pleasure of listening to him I suggest you check him out.
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
Shakermaker was a joke it wasn’t pinched off any one from the get-go, they said it was fun, there’s only eight notes Noel wrote some great songs I would give DM max points up there with the best of British music.
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Is that a "10"? Sorry for being pedantic, but for consistency with previous votes/comments, I need to see you post the number if you want it to count.

BimboBob said:
It's officially been nicked from The New Seekers. They sued. And won.
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I genuinely didn't know that yet whenever I hear the song, I absolutely know it is a rip off of "Id Like to Teach The World To Sing". I'd always thought that but never did any reading around it, so I'm glad that @Bill Walker 's post has vindicated me!
 
BimboBob said:
It's officially been nicked from The New Seekers. They sued. And won.
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That's not really how it works. While I agree on the song itself, simply 'winning' a case like that isn't always 'proof' of intentional/conscious plagiarism. Speaking generally, rather than about this one.
 
Coatigan said:
That's not really how it works. While I agree on the song itself, simply 'winning' a case like that isn't always 'proof' of intentional/conscious plagiarism. Speaking generally, rather than about this one.
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Agreed. I was reading an interview with Steve Earle once. He said that these days, it's accepted that many songwriters will come up with what sounds like a copy of a previous song completely innocently. As you suggest, they just sort it out in court with an appropriate percentage of royalties going to the original artist.
 
RobMCFC said:
Is that a "10"? Sorry for being pedantic, but for consistency with previous votes/comments, I need to see you post the number if you want it to count.


I genuinely didn't know that yet whenever I hear the song, I absolutely know it is a rip off of "Id Like to Teach The World To Sing". I'd always thought that but never did any reading around it, so I'm glad that @Bill Walker 's post has vindicated me!
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Yes it’s so obvious that it copied the same melody that I hear it as just a different light hearted take rather than try and I hide some sort of plagiarism- I mentioned it in my review as I knew someone would highlight it - believe really that’s the only one on here, although I’m sure there’s examples of other tunes they may have nicked from previous - then again it is easy to take any song from any band and compare it with a song from previous -considering there’s billions of songs been made.
 
RobMCFC said:
Agreed. I was reading an interview with Steve Earle once. He said that these days, it's accepted that many songwriters will come up with what sounds like a copy of a previous song completely innocently. As you suggest, they just sort it out in court with an appropriate percentage of royalties going to the original artist.
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It comes down to opinion. A song could rip off another and it may be the opionion of whoever decides the case that it didn't. Or it could be coincidental or subconscious, but the opinion that it is copying another. Winning/losing a plagiarism case means simply that, they get money or they don't. It doesn't 'prove' anything though, not unless as part of the process someone actually admits to it.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Hand raised at the back of the room from the quiet Yank.

“Hi, yes. Thanks. I have a question. Um, do most Brits really rate Definitely Maybe above Morning Glory? I mean . . . really? Seriously? Are you sure? Ok . . . thank you.”

More later.
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I really do.

I find most songs on MG just so ‘poppy’ and basic, also overplayed. I struggle to listen to Wonderwall, She’s Electric and Champagne Supernova nowadays - they went full Pop which for me was a bit disappointing in hindsight , but can’t really blame them for cashing in.

Whereas Definitely Maybe and there B Sides, there sound was more loud, raw, heavy, bit more indie and psychedelic (Columbia/Supersonic/Bring It On Down) but ultimately more authentic- which is understandable considering Noel was writing these songs growing up poor in a council estate - by the time Morning Glory come about he was sipping champagne with Tony Blair.

I think die hard Oasis fans would go with DM but general music fans would go with MG.

Also, even if not a fan of theirs - the ‘Supersonic’ documentary film on Netflix is a really good watch.
 
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