Lucy Letby infant murders trial

[BridgyDids]

Not followed this thread, or the case really (other than a very high level brief view) but listening to the latest Private Eye podcast on this was very interesting. It’s the second half of the podcast for those interested.

 

[PinkFinal]

Families of Letby victims horrified TV show will question conviction

The show, plotted by Channel 5, is set to feature so-called experts questioning the case against the killer nurse – as grieving parents told the broadcaster 'shame on you'

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[levets]

Families of Letby victims horrified TV show will question conviction

The show, plotted by Channel 5, is set to feature so-called experts questioning the case against the killer nurse – as grieving parents told the broadcaster 'shame on you'

www.mirror.co.uk

Channel 5 now… investigating and questioning the evidence surrounding her verdict.

 

[Keeper!]

Here we go....

Evidence in first Lucy Letby trial was incorrect, CPS admits

Door swipe data showing which staff entered and exited baby unit was ‘mislabelled’ until retrial, CPS says

www.theguardian.com

 

[give it to gordon]

Here we go....

Evidence in first Lucy Letby trial was incorrect, CPS admits

Door swipe data showing which staff entered and exited baby unit was ‘mislabelled’ until retrial, CPS says

www.theguardian.com

I have always thought she didn't do it. But that is me wanting not to believe anyone could do this. It's horrific to think someone could do this and that's where my brain doesn't understand how anyone could do it.

Isn't mislabelled away to set someone up ? Or cover your back ?

 

[Keeper!]

I have always thought she didn't do it. But that is me wanting not to believe anyone could do this. It's horrific to think someone could do this and that's where my brain doesn't understand how anyone could do it.

I had the same feeling but after listening to her court transcripts I changed my mine but this revelation has put that trial evidence in some doubt

 

[bert38]

Not read the thread-look up 'Halo Effect'

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Private Eye have been able to publish about this in the last few issues - I think they were prevented by injunction beforehand.

One claim is that the trial was essentially skewed - the prosecution had loads of expert witnesses, the defence none, and that creates an image.

Some of the evidence had alternative views of it ("this many happened when LL was there" - "yeah, but this many happened when she wasn't, how does that fit", I think). The counter-argument wasn't made available to the defence (again, I think this is what it said).

PE is pretty clear that they're not saying she's innocent, just that the trial was unfair. The Telegraph has put it on the front page today.

 

[I'm not really here]

Private Eye have been able to publish about this in the last few issues - I think they were prevented by injunction beforehand.

One claim is that the trial was essentially skewed - the prosecution had loads of expert witnesses, the defence none, and that creates an image.

Some of the evidence had alternative views of it ("this many happened when LL was there" - "yeah, but this many happened when she wasn't, how does that fit", I think). The counter-argument wasn't made available to the defence (again, I think this is what it said).

PE is pretty clear that they're not saying she's innocent, just that the trial was unfair. The Telegraph has put it on the front page today.

Wouldn't that be grounds for the whole conviction and sentence to be quashed and have to do a new trial from scratch?

 

[Stephen230]

Wouldn't that be grounds for the whole conviction and sentence to be quashed and have to do a new trial from scratch?

It’s not clear from that post whether Private Eye is referring to the first or second trial.

But the Guardian article that has just being linked, clearly refers to the first trial.

There’s already been a retrial since then.

For a third trial, I imagine inaccuracies in the second one would have to be found. I’d have thought the first trial is pretty much irrelevant now.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Wouldn't that be grounds for the whole conviction and sentence to be quashed and have to do a new trial from scratch?

I don't know - I'd think it would help an appeal, but I'm no lawyer.

PE have gone in very strongly on this though.

@Stephen230 - my impression was that it was particularly regarding the first trial, but it may have been both.

 

[MCFC Wirral]

A third trial seems scandalous.

Just like Barry George being convicted for the murder of Jill Dando, there’s been something about this case that makes me feel uneasy from day one.

 

[HelloCity]

Lucy Letby: Questions grow in debate on killer's convictions

A number of experts are raising concerns about evidence presented in the neonatal nurse's trials.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[HelloCity]

‘I am evil I did this’: Lucy Letby’s so-called confessions were written on advice of counsellors

Prosecutors used densely written Post-its to build case against nurse, but she was told to write down her feelings to cope with extreme stress, sources say

www.theguardian.com

Scribbled notes by the neonatal nurse Lucy Letby, used to help convict her of murdering seven babies, were written on the advice of professionals as a way of dealing with extreme stress, the Guardian has learned.

The notes were relied on as amounting to a confession by the prosecution during her first trial and in the court of appeal, but sources close to the case said they were produced after counselling sessions as part of a therapeutic process in which she was advised to write down her troubling thoughts and feelings.

Densely written on Post-it notes and a torn sheet of paper, they were overwritten in places and sometimes highlighted in capitals. They included the words: "I am evil I did this," "I killed them on purpose because I am not good enough to care for them and I am a horrible evil person," and "hate."

The prosecution used the notes to help build the case against Letby, ending the opening speech highlighting the phrase: "I am evil I did this." Throughout the trial the jury was repeatedly reminded of that statement, and encouraged to interpret the notes literally.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

A third trial seems scandalous.

Just like Barry George being convicted for the murder of Jill Dando, there’s been something about this case that makes me feel uneasy from day one.

Give over. He was guilty as fuck

 

[MCFC Wirral]

Give over. He was guilty as fuck

Read up on the case. It just wasn’t right from day one and since then he was unanimously acquitted.

I suspect a professional hitman was acting on behalf of a major criminal she helped convict on Crimewatch.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Read up on the case. It just wasn’t right from day one and since then he was unanimously acquitted.

I suspect a professional hitman was acting on behalf of a major criminal she helped convict on Crimewatch.

OK

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Give over. He was guilty as fuck

We'll never know unless someone else is convicted. That's unlikely.

The one piece of physical evidence against him was unreliable.

Why do you think he is guilty?

 

[MCFC Wirral]

OK

Profound. Such an inspiring and carefully thought out reply has helped form a new perspective.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

This appears to be gathering some serious momentum now.

I think she was very poorly represented at her trial, possibly negligently so, although interestingly she didn’t sack them for her appeal.

She plainly lacks any street-smart, and whilst I don’t think that establishes her innocence I think it means she’s made some bad decisions around the conduct of her defence and it will have influenced how she presented herself throughout proceedings.