Vincent Kompany | Bayern Munich Manager

I’ve always understood player power got Ancelotti out at Bayern Munich. He’s a world class manager so if he lost that one then Kompany surely will.

I’ll be keeping an eye on his progress with interest.
 
thismeansfour said:
Funny how many defend Komps, we all love him and he is a legend but that clip is horrifying. A man out of his depth managing a team that is on course to be relegated. If this clip was Rooney there wouldn't be one man defending him that's for sure.
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Horrifying? Fucking horrifying?

Jesus wept.

There’s an awful lot of naive posters on here who have obviously never played football at a decent level and been on a training ground when it gets intense.
This kind of thing happens on a weekly basis in competitive sport.
 
It's an over the top reaction, but if someone isn't pulling their weight and is damaging the group then they deserve to be called out. Cancelo was a bad egg in the camp so Pep got rid. It's more cut throat to do that than to call them out and give them a chance to change their attitude.

The issue at Burnley, whether Kompany's fault or the board's, was that they put too much faith in talented youngsters and didn't have enough nous to stay in the division. They played some lovely football but orchestrated their own downfall fairly regularly. I'd imagine they come straight back up and will be in a better position to stay up next time.

I'm interested to see how Kompany gets on at Bayern. I want them to fail because I fucking hate them, but I want him to do well - so it's a tough one. He has to win the league, play good football and challenge in the CL to get the fans on board realistically. But I think he's unlikely to need to throw his toys out very often with elite players - they are likely to want to play for him and perform to his standards and he's got an approach they should buy into.
 
Phil1 said:
Horrifying? Fucking horrifying?

Jesus wept.

There’s an awful lot of naive posters on here who have obviously never played football at a decent level and been on a training ground when it gets intense.
This kind of thing happens on a weekly basis in competitive sport.
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Yep, played football to a semi pro level and whilst tempers can be raised, behaving like that loses dressing rooms too. The player walked off several times, the player wasn't responding. Kompany was constantly provoking. He's the manager - lead by example. He is now in a job miles too big for him. You reckon he will get away with talking to the Bayern players like that? No chance.
 
MCFC Wirral said:
I’ve always understood player power got Ancelotti out at Bayern Munich. He’s a world class manager so if he lost that one then Kompany surely will.

I’ll be keeping an eye on his progress with interest.
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Ancelotti left Bayern six years ago. I doubt there are many of his squad still there. Müller and Neuer, obviously, but any others?
 
Phil1 said:
Horrifying? Fucking horrifying?

Jesus wept.

There’s an awful lot of naive posters on here who have obviously never played football at a decent level and been on a training ground when it gets intense.
This kind of thing happens on a weekly basis in competitive sport.
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Doesn’t make it okay, though.
 
BlueTG said:
Doesn’t make it okay, though.
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It’s part and parcel of the game imo. Might not look great but it’s certainly not unusual and has happened forever.

I remember getting my arse handed to me as a 16 year old at Oldham by Joe Royal, and he was the most chilled out manager I’ve ever met!
 
In any management it's important to address issues calmly and respectfully, and focus on constructive feedback. Swearing damages relationships, and reduces morale. Just because it’s in a sporting environment makes no differece.
 
Snape said:
In any management it's important to address issues calmly and respectfully, and focus on constructive feedback. Swearing damages relationships, and reduces morale. Just because it’s in a sporting environment makes no differece.
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It does.
Sport is completely different to your normal workplace. I’m astounded that some can’t see this.
The question of wherever it’s right or wrong can be asked but to believe it makes no difference us a bit mental.
 
Phil1 said:
It does.
Sport is completely different to your normal workplace. I’m astounded that some can’t see this.
The question of wherever it’s right or wrong can be asked but to believe it makes no difference us a bit mental.
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Where are the research papers that back up the argument ‘sport is completely different’?
 
Snape said:
Where are the research papers that back up the argument ‘sport is completely different’?
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I’m pretty sure high level, professional sport doesn’t need scientific research to conclude it’s different to working in telesales.
 
Phil1 said:
I’m pretty sure high level, professional sport doesn’t need scientific research to conclude it’s different to working in telesales.
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I think we will not agree on this but there are a number of research papers here are two examples.

Impact of Coach's Swearing on Team Dynamics and Performance" (2012) by Langevin & Parent:
  • This paper specifically investigates the effects of swearing by coaches on team dynamics in sports. The findings suggest that while some athletes might view swearing as a sign of passion, the majority see it as detrimental to team cohesion and trust. The study concludes that swearing generally has a negative impact on team performance and should be avoided
The Effects of Verbal Aggression in Sports: Perceptions and Outcomes" (2008) by Mazer, Barnes, & Greer:
  • This research explores athletes' perceptions of verbal aggression, including swearing, by their coaches. The study found that athletes often perceive such behavior as disrespectful and demotivating, which can harm their relationship with the coach and reduce their commitment to the team.
 
Phil1 said:
I’m pretty sure high level, professional sport doesn’t need scientific research to conclude it’s different to working in telesales.
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There’s probably a reason why Mourinho has been more successful than Nigel Clough.

Having said that, HR where Clough worked would be quieter than where Mourinho worked.
 
Snape said:
I think we will not agree on this but there are a number of research papers here are two examples.

Impact of Coach's Swearing on Team Dynamics and Performance" (2012) by Langevin & Parent:
  • This paper specifically investigates the effects of swearing by coaches on team dynamics in sports. The findings suggest that while some athletes might view swearing as a sign of passion, the majority see it as detrimental to team cohesion and trust. The study concludes that swearing generally has a negative impact on team performance and should be avoided
The Effects of Verbal Aggression in Sports: Perceptions and Outcomes" (2008) by Mazer, Barnes, & Greer:
  • This research explores athletes' perceptions of verbal aggression, including swearing, by their coaches. The study found that athletes often perceive such behavior as disrespectful and demotivating, which can harm their relationship with the coach and reduce their commitment to the team.
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I’ve no doubt it affects some more than others, we are all built differently.
I just don’t see it changing anytime soon.
 
A lot of people don't get it, there's a reason why Mancini always lost it on the side-lines. It's one thing to manage a team with a couple of winners in there but managing an ambitious team filled with players who have never won a single thing can get a manager to completely go crazy on the players, sometimes, The manager plays up his emotions just so he can get the players to understand what is at stake and show some belief in the project. If Pep was here back in 2011/2012, he would probably go as far as throwing blows with Tevez and Balotelli.

There's a reason Bayern went for a young, energetic manager and not the experienced yet lukewarm managers that they have been known for hiring in the past (Heyneckes, Ancelloti, Flick), the fiery nature they were known for is lacking and they need someone to bring back that spark, I am excited to see what Vinny would do there and if all fails, then at least I would like to see an Atleti vs Bayern UCL game, just so I can see Vinny knock Simeone out cold.
 
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