The Labour Government

[metalblue]

No, it's well established that most Labour voters voted Remain. Ashcroft's polling suggested 63/37 for Remain.

But that was a lot of Labour voters willing to "get Brexit done" and abandon Labour to vote for Liar Johnson in 2019. I see little political advantage for Labour in encouraging "conversations" about immigration. Just deal with the asylum application backlog, get people out of hotels into jobs that Brits won't do (but pretend they would) and build more housing (using immigrant labour).

So about 1 in 3 leave voters where Labour voters - or put another way about 15% of all Labour voters. 70% of leave voters did so due to concerns about immigration - that’s ~10% of all Labour voters are anti immigration. Thus my central premise that for you to say no Labour voters were present at the riots is not obviously a truism, certainly they will be in the minority.

It’s too easy (convenient even) to refer to anti immigration as racism when in fact it’s as likely to be xenophobia - it better fits the definition and better explains why people say “I’m not racist but…” when talking about immigration. The right is where you will find racists of that there is no dispute, but across both ends of the political spectrum you will find xenophobia and to pretend otherwise fails to understand the problem that needs to be addressed - and if you don’t understand, or fail to recognise, the problem you won’t fix it. Encouraging a conversation that focuses on positive undertones (and that’s not language of “smash the criminal gangs” or “stop the boats”) is the grown up approach, that is why Labour should tackle it IMHO. Having listened to a couple of the Tory leadership hopefuls I don’t have much hope they will change the toxic narrative on this topic.

 

[stonerblue]

The police, whether there is two tier policing.

No i haven't.

 

[stonerblue]

You keep posting these one-liners with zero to back them up. It's not a very persuasive argument tbh.

Nothing i say is gonna change your view, as has been evidenced by others throughout this thread. I'm not here to have a 'debate' but i do like to call out bullshit when i see it.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Nothing i say is gonna change your view, as has been evidenced by others throughout this thread. I'm not here to have a 'debate' but i do like to call out bullshit when i see it.

I'll await that with interest then.

You see the difference between me and you lot is that when I am wrong I usually say so. You'll find me saying I didn't know that, or fair enough or whatever.

By contrast, the more moronic ones on your side just side step questions or reply with crap like "Please get help".

It would be really refreshing if one of you - any of you - would respond to that video I posted of Starmer talking about the black hole in May, and then posted along the lines of "fair enough, on face value it does look like he's lying."

But unless I have missed it (sorry if I have) none of you have the basic humility to do so.

So what will your reply to this be?

(a) Avoid the question
(b) Throw an insult around
(c) No reply at all

 

[KS55]

So about 1 in 3 leave voters where Labour voters - or put another way about 15% of all Labour voters. 70% of leave voters did so due to concerns about immigration - that’s ~10% of all Labour voters are anti immigration. Thus my central premise that for you to say no Labour voters were present at the rights is not obviously a truism, certainly they will be in the minority.

It’s too easy (convenient even) to refer to anti immigration as racism when in fact it’s as likely to be xenophobia - it better fits the definition and better explains why people say “I’m not racist but…” when talking about immigration. The right is where you will find racists of that there is no dispute, but across both ends of the political spectrum you will find xenophobia and to pretend otherwise fails to understand the problem that needs to be addressed - and if you don’t understand, or fail to recognise, the problem you won’t fix it. Encouraging a conversation that focuses on positive undertones (and that’s not language of “smash the criminal gangs” or “stop the boats”) is the grown up approach, that is why Labour should tackle it IMHO. Having listened to a couple of the Tory leadership hopefuls I don’t have much hope they will change the toxic narrative on this topic.

Much of the anti- City stuff is just xenophobia dressed up as concern for football.
Colin Schindler once described the good sheik as ‘a mysterious man from the east.’

 

[Blue and true]

So about 1 in 3 leave voters where Labour voters - or put another way about 15% of all Labour voters. 70% of leave voters did so due to concerns about immigration - that’s ~10% of all Labour voters are anti immigration. Thus my central premise that for you to say no Labour voters were present at the rights is not obviously a truism, certainly they will be in the minority.

It’s too easy (convenient even) to refer to anti immigration as racism when in fact it’s as likely to be xenophobia - it better fits the definition and better explains why people say “I’m not racist but…” when talking about immigration. The right is where you will find racists of that there is no dispute, but across both ends of the political spectrum you will find xenophobia and to pretend otherwise fails to understand the problem that needs to be addressed - and if you don’t understand, or fail to recognise, the problem you won’t fix it. Encouraging a conversation that focuses on positive undertones (and that’s not language of “smash the criminal gangs” or “stop the boats”) is the grown up approach, that is why Labour should tackle it IMHO. Having listened to a couple of the Tory leadership hopefuls I don’t have much hope they will change the toxic narrative on this topic.

In fairness, I would consider xenophobia to be a form of racism; I know by strict designation they differ, but that's my take. Regardless, it's sad that in the 21st Century there are some fearful of others because of their ethnicity or nationality.

 

[metalblue]

In fairness, I would consider xenophobia to be a form of racism; I know by strict designation they differ, but that's my take. Regardless, it's sad that in the 21st Century there are some fearful of others because of their ethnicity or nationality.

Prejudices are accepted throughout our society. Landlords not renting out to those on benefits is a prime example.

 

[metalblue]

Much of the anti- City stuff is just xenophobia dressed up as concern for football.
Colin Schindler once described the good sheik as ‘a mysterious man from the east.’

It certainly plays a part with some commentators.

 

[KS55]

In fairness, I would consider xenophobia to be a form of racism; I know by strict designation they differ, but that's my take. Regardless, it's sad that in the 21st Century there are some fearful of others because of their ethnicity or nationality.

Xenophobia is deep within the DNA as a defence mechanism. Racism is the failure to use the brain to overcome this call of the wild.

 

[mosssideblue]

I'll await that with interest then.

You see the difference between me and you lot is that when I am wrong I usually say so. You'll find me saying I didn't know that, or fair enough or whatever.

By contrast, the more moronic ones on your side just side step questions or reply with crap like "Please get help".

It would be really refreshing if one of you - any of you - would respond to that video I posted of Starmer talking about the black hole in May, and then posted along the lines of "fair enough, on face value it does look like he's lying."

But unless I have missed it (sorry if I have) none of you have the basic humility to do so.

So what will your reply to this be?

(a) Avoid the question
(b) Throw an insult around
(c) No reply at all

Why are you getting so wound up?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Prejudices are accepted throughout our society. Landlords not renting out to those on benefits is a prime example.

Used to be no blacks, no Irish, no dogs.

No DSS is unlawful. Some batshit unenforceable rules in tenancy agreements that require tenants to move out if they lose their job. Unenforceable as long as you are paying the rent though.

 

[hammocity]

Prejudices are accepted throughout our society. Landlords not renting out to those on benefits is a prime example.

A friend of mine had 4 houses she rented out, she's now has two apartments in Lytham. The reason being non payment, causing damage to the properties and stealing a boiler, it was too stressful. Some of her renters were on benefit's, they were the worse because they got their PIP/Universal Credit payments which included rent allowance but "forgot" to pay their rent.

Before anyone pulls me up I know I've used a tautology.

It's not discrimination it's purely financial, she was in danger of going broke, most Landlords have finance to pay on properties with hopefully a profit at the end of the year. If some renters are likely to default it's a business decision not to take them on.

 

[Chippy_boy]

A friend of mine had 4 houses she rented out, she's just got 2 Apartments now in Lytham. The reason being non payment, causing damage to the properties and stealing a boiler, it was too stressful. Some of her renters were on benefit's, they were the worse because they got their PIP/Universal Credit payments which included rent allowance but "forgot" to pay their rent.

Before anyone pulls me up I know I've used a tautology.

It's not discrimination it's purely financial, she was in danger of going broke, most Landlords have finance to pay on properties with hopefully a profit at the end of the year. If some renters are likely to default it's a business decision not to take them on.

My brother-in-law buys derelict properties and does them up to then sell or rent out. He's a 1 man band so only does 1 at a time. He's broke most of the time, with no money to do the next phase of the build.

The worst tenant he ever had, ironically, was a solicitor!!! She repeatedly damaged the property, failed to pay months of rent and he ended up having to take her to court! I don't know how it ended up eventually but hopefully she's been disbarred.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

A friend of mine had 4 houses she rented out, she's now has two apartments in Lytham. The reason being non payment, causing damage to the properties and stealing a boiler, it was too stressful. Some of her renters were on benefit's, they were the worse because they got their PIP/Universal Credit payments which included rent allowance but "forgot" to pay their rent.

She got what she deserved. Slum landlords deserve bad tenants.

Before anyone pulls me up I know I've used a tautology.

It's not discrimination it's purely financial, she was in danger of going broke, most Landlords have finance to pay on properties with hopefully a profit at the end of the year. If some renters are likely to default it's a business decision not to take them on.

It's not discrimination that she has placed herself in a market that has already priced out benefits claimants and. But is if she or her agents advertise as no DSS etc.

 

[hammocity]

She got what she deserved. Slum landlords deserve bad tenants.



It's not discrimination that she has placed herself in a market that has already priced out benefits claimants and. But is if she or her agents advertise as no DSS etc.

She wasn't a slum landlord, she had previously lived in one of the houses herself. She was a very good landlord and also rented to a family member's friend who caused a lot of damage. One of the properties was off Mottram Road in Stalybridge another was in Uppermill, hardly what you'd call "slums".

I don't get your point about no DSS, as I said some were on benefits, she didn't discriminate which probably caused her to pull the plug with the problems she experienced.

She's switched to holiday rental in Lytham now, with commission from the likes of Booking.com it's not as lucrative as people may think. She's a hard working girl who has a relatively modest income but her future pension pot will be good once she's paid the finance on her properties. Just to give you an idea about her lifestyle she drives a 10 year old car, lives in a flat above a pub, goes to Spain twice a year on holiday and does part time seasonal work.

Your post as ever was confrontational without having a modicum of knowledge about the situation, I think you'd be better off emigrating to North Korea where you'd feel comfortable with the politics.

 

[Postman Pep]

Talking of slum landlords

 

[Scottyboi]

My brother-in-law buys derelict properties and does them up to then sell or rent out. He's a 1 man band so only does 1 at a time. He's broke most of the time, with no money to do the next phase of the build.

The worst tenant he ever had, ironically, was a solicitor!!! She repeatedly damaged the property, failed to pay months of rent and he ended up having to take her to court! I don't know how it ended up eventually but hopefully she's been disbarred.

I had to make good a house for Salford council it was fucked, only 2 Drs that had been living in it! Bought a house in Worsley and fucked off the neighbours said.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

She wasn't a slum landlord, she had previously lived in one of the houses herself. She was a very good landlord and also rented to a family member's friend who caused a lot of damage. One of the properties was off Mottram Road in Stalybridge another was in Uppermill, hardly what you'd call "slums".

I don't get your point about no DSS, as I said some were on benefits, she didn't discriminate which probably caused her to pull the plug with the problems she experienced.

She's switched to holiday rental in Lytham now, with commission from the likes of Booking.com it's not as lucrative as people may think. She's a hard working girl who has a relatively modest income but her future pension pot will be good once she's paid the finance on her properties. Just to give you an idea about her lifestyle she drives a 10 year old car, lives in a flat above a pub, goes to Spain twice a year on holiday and does part time seasonal work.

Your post as ever was confrontational without having a modicum of knowledge about the situation, I think you'd be better off emigrating to North Korea where you'd feel comfortable with the politics.

So she was incompetent and had no business renting out houses then. Someone owning four houses and renting them out is a slum landlord.

The point about DSS was about her current position, but you hadn't divulged the fact they are holiday lets at that point.

 

[hammocity]

So she was incompetent and had no business renting out houses then. Someone owning four houses and renting them out is a slum landlord.

The point about DSS was about her current position, but you hadn't divulged the fact they are holiday lets at that point.

incompetent? She learned from her errors in renting to people who had good references and as I stated one was a friend of a family member. She sustained her business for many years always maintaining a profit but it was getting more difficult that's why she switched to the Holiday lets.

She also owns an apartment in Miraflores Spain which is only rented to close family and friends and at a really low rate.

She's far from incompetent, works hard, ran a Taxi business for many years (partnership) and deserves everything she's worked towards.

You're just a member of the looney left who can't stand others succeeding in life but you defend the feckless lazy cunts in society, pathetic.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

It's not discrimination it's purely financial, she was in danger of going broke, most Landlords have finance to pay on properties with hopefully a profit at the end of the year. If some renters are likely to default it's a business decision not to take them on.

Of course it's discrimination. You're making a judgement about who is 'likely to default' before they actually do, surely? How is it any different from a shop owner banning people who are 'likely to steal' from the shop?