Dear Atheists..

calumdown said:
regarding my statement that religion, just like science, gets updated...
(this is for everyone except shouter @Marklr )

the core of science remains the same,
but details of it change over time.
the core of religion remains the same,
but details of it change over time.

so there.
prove me wrong.
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Islam does not reform with the times. It gets more out of date with every passing day. It’s also a religion that isn’t even fully translated into any modern language and what has been has many different interpretations.

There are no laws of mythologies. Some have one god, others have well over a thousand. Some think the Earth is about 6,000 years old, others understand it’s billions of years old. Some think there’s an afterlife, others don’t. They all contradict each other. Some mythologies refuse to reform, whereas others are constantly reforming to get more people to believe in them by deleting the more stupid and fantastical stuff as physics proves them wrong. All mythologies claim things that go against the laws of physics despite the laws of physics being the same in every atom in the entire universe.

Some mythologies like Islam in some areas of the world would murder their own for questioning the existence of god, others like Hinduism has a part of their religion that believes atheism and it’s ingrained in the culture around and within the mythology.

The core of mythologies are all over the place.

But the laws of physics are the laws of physics. Not only are they not different in Arabia and India, they aren’t different anywhere in the universe now, weren’t different anywhere in the universe 14bn years ago and won’t be different anywhere in the universe in 100 trillion years.

The details of science therefore never change because the laws of physics have never and will never change but our greater understanding of the outcomes and answers to certain questions do get updated.
 
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M23 Citizen said:
Islam does not reform with the times. It gets more out of date with every passing day.

The laws of physics were all a result of whatever it was that happened at the start of the universe and are the same in every part of the universe and will remain the same until the last stars burn out and for trillions of eons after when there is nothing but radiation.

The details of science therefore never change because the laws of physics have never and will never change but our greater understanding of the outcomes and answers to certain questions do get updated.

There are no laws of mythologies. Some have one god, others have well over a thousand. They all contradict each other. Some mythologies refuse to reform, whereas others are constantly reforming to get more people to believe in them by deleting the more stupid and fantastical stuff as physics proves them wrong. All mythologies claim things that go against the laws of physics despite the laws of physics being the same in every atom in the entire universe.

Some mythologies like Islam in some areas of the world would murder their own for questioning the existence of god, others like Hinduism has a part of their religion that believes atheism and it’s ingrained in the culture around and within the mythology. But the laws of physics are the laws of physics.
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The laws of physics will be stood on their head when someone cracks the rule of everything.
 
M23 Citizen said:
Islam does not reform with the times. It gets more out of date with every passing day.

The laws of physics were all a result of whatever it was that happened at the start of the universe and are the same in every part of the universe and will remain the same until the last stars burn out and for trillions of eons after when there is nothing but radiation.

The details of science therefore never change because the laws of physics have never and will never change but our greater understanding of the outcomes and answers to certain questions do get updated.

There are no laws of mythologies. Some have one god, others have well over a thousand. They all contradict each other. Some mythologies refuse to reform, whereas others are constantly reforming to get more people to believe in them by deleting the more stupid and fantastical stuff as physics proves them wrong. All mythologies claim things that go against the laws of physics despite the laws of physics being the same in every atom in the entire universe.

Some mythologies like Islam in some areas of the world would murder their own for questioning the existence of god, others like Hinduism has a part of their religion that believes atheism and it’s ingrained in the culture around and within the mythology.

But the laws of physics are the laws of physics. Not only are they not different in Arabia and India, they aren’t different anywhere in the universe now, weren’t different anywhere in the universe 14bn years ago and won’t be different anywhere in the universe in 100 trillion years.
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are you okay?
 
calumdown said:
are you okay?
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Indeed.

Just proving you wrong like you asked someone to where you said the core of religion remains the same.

There is no core of religion, the thousands of mythologies all have very different cores, some - like I said of Hinduism - has a part of that religion called the Rig Veda that centres around the fact that we simply do not know whether there are gods, and Hinduism openly accepts the concept of atheism. Other religions would stone you to death for even asking that question because its core only accepts that there is a god.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
It’s not a subject I take lightly as a good friend of mine from where I used to work decided to travel abroad for assisted suicide. I don’t believe that is the business of killing people. It is giving them a humane way to do so. Assisting them is better than having them go missing and their body showing up onshore after they have drowned themselves, which I have experience of also.
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My lifelong friend was diagnosed with terminal oesophageal cancer and asked me to take him from the hospice back to his flat so he could jump out of the window ten storeys up. I wouldn't do it and when he died a year later he thanked me from the bottom of his heart for giving him the extra time with his family.
 
calumdown said:
i did.
none of it was new to me.
you didn't answer my question.
i'd be glad if you did.


you know it's all made up, don't you
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Well your first statement is incorrect. There are no Hebrew texts that predate the bible that mention Lilith as the wife of Adam. It's a weird flex to be proving a point that everything is made up by pointing to something that is made up that you make false claims for.
 
mrbelfry said:
Well your first statement is incorrect. There are no Hebrew texts that predate the bible that mention Lilith as the wife of Adam. It's a weird flex to be proving a point that everything is made up by pointing to something that is made up that you make false claims for.
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are you okay?
 
mrbelfry said:
Sorry I assumed you wanted a discussion. You made some statements, I offered a counter point, you asked for clarification, I gave clarification. Seemed like a normal polite conversation unless I'm missing something

Shrug emoji
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discuss away
here's a statement, mister b...
never apologise (say sorry) if you have done nothing wrong.

for clarification...
i'm just messing, mate
 
johnny crossan said:
My lifelong friend was diagnosed with terminal oesophageal cancer and asked me to take him from the hospice back to his flat so he could jump out of the window ten storeys up. I wouldn't do it and when he died a year later he thanked me from the bottom of his heart for giving him the extra time with his family.
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I do think I would have tried the same. I would have tried to talk her out of it and she knew this.
Her one confidante was a very good man and friend for not just to her but us all.

I’m sure he would have had in depth conversations with her before agree to facilitate her wishes.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
What is ‘Sin’ ?
Is it something purely constructed by religion or religious dogma?
Because whatever their chosen religion I would imagine all you have mentioned are sinners!

This leads us back to the concept of what kind of a morality would exist in a non-religious state?

I would argue that you don’t need a belief in any god to have a grasp on morality and what constitutes a just society.
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I think you may have already mentioned this exchange between Profs Lennox & Dawkins some time ago but their final 5 minute summaries on morality with and without God is worth a listen - 1hr 09 mins in
 
johnny crossan said:
I think you may have already mentioned this exchange between Profs Lennox & Dawkins some time ago but their final 5 minute summaries on morality with and without God is worth a listen - 1hr 09 mins in
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I love that kind of debate. I find myself intrigued by both sides being presented by intelligent men who know their subjects.

I’ve read The Selfish Gene many moons ago.
I’m thinking I’ll have to get myself a copy of The God Delusion.
 
GortonBlue62 said:
@Damocles, you never did tell me if you think Jesus is the son of God.
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I didn't know that you asked!

But no, I'm not religious. My argument is more pointing out that others arguments are kind of terrible.

I'm not sure my non-belief in a deity is a topic and think its probably arguing the opposite from the scientifically illiterate producing shite arguments
 
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