The Labour Government

Gray said:
It is rumoured that the single occupancy council tax reduction is to be scrapped. So all those little old widows with small incomes will have to fork out more, of cause they could apply for a rebate by filling in a 200 page application.
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No problem in scrapping the single occupancy if done fairly
 
mosssideblue said:
Surely they know the far end of a fart of what pensioners are earning and can tell who falls below the threshold
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The government doesn't know everyone's financial situation on a day by day basis.

You could combine the tax and benefits systems, but even that only gives a partial picture. They don't know immediately if a couple move in together, or separate, they don't know how much a self-employed person is earning until they put in a tax return, etc.

So, while they can look at past years, and take a sample, and work out roughly how many people they would expect to claim, they can't pro-actively identify everyone who is eligible.

As well as advertising/info campaigns, governments and local councils will employ people to actively try and locate those not claiming, but it's more a case of going out and talking to pensioners about their living situations, rather than just looking it all up on a computer.
 
bluenova said:
The government doesn't know everyone's financial situation on a day by day basis.

You could combine the tax and benefits systems, but even that only gives a partial picture. They don't know immediately if a couple move in together, or separate, they don't know how much a self-employed person is earning until they put in a tax return, etc.

So, while they can look at past years, and take a sample, and work out roughly how many people they would expect to claim, they can't pro-actively identify everyone who is eligible.

As well as advertising/info campaigns, governments and local councils will employ people to actively try and locate those not claiming, but it's more a case of going out and talking to pensioners about their living situations, rather than just looking it all up on a computer.
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fair enough, I was only musing
 
mosssideblue said:
No problem in scrapping the single occupancy if done fairly
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If you have one working adult paying the same as a household that has two or even three working adults then how is that fair? Unless you are considering some kind of means testing on the incomes involved? Which would cost something in the administration involved.
 
mosssideblue said:
Read my previous post rather than shoot your load early
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I mean your immediate response to the poster who first raised this possibility was to accuse them of shit stirring so glass houses and all that.

As for your previous post there is not much to add to Mackenzie's reply except that it not just unfair in terms of affordability. Single occupancy households are less of a strain on services than multi occupancy so why should they pay the same anyway.

If you are so keen on taking money off people who don't need it why aren't you advocating for wealth taxes?
 
Postman Pep said:
I mean your immediate response to the poster who first raised this possibility was to accuse them of shit stirring so glass houses and all that.

As for your previous post there is not much to add to Mackenzie's reply except that it not just unfair in terms of affordability. Single occupancy households are less of a strain on services than multi occupancy so why should they pay the same anyway.

If you are so keen on taking money off people who don't need it why aren't you advocating for wealth taxes?
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If they are looking to raise money through fiddling around with CT, then they need to come up with a system that is much fairer than what is being rumoured.
And some of us are old enough to remember how it went for Thatcher and the Poll Tax.
What that might be I don't know, and I'm willing to do my bit, but only when it's fair.
 
Scottyboi said:
At what age does taking personal responsibility end? Being proud won't keep you warm but they were perfectly fine having WFA it was still a benefit just in a different name. These people aren't babies. And anyone with dementia or other serious health issues should be getting claims done for them by care providers or family if they have them. The internet has been out for over 30 years being a luddite isn't an excuse anymore.
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Valid points but working in the NHS I can tell you there are many many older people who I have seen admitted with no one.

No carers, no family, just elderly frail people struggling along everyday. Of course when they do come in they then get social services input but up to thst point there’s a lot of people not able to complete applications with no one to help.
 
Vic said:
Have none of the people released early under the Tories' early release scheme committed an offence?
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Don't know VicTory but if they had I'm sure it would have been mentioned. But this is now about the current govt. You can't seem to get your head around it, i mean it even says Labour Government in the thread title.

This could be a new low

Yeah but people got selxually assaulted under the Tories as well.
 
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