in which case they should be impartial either way no, if they have no dog in the fight and arent bothered about reputations and to be fair even with nice house and pensions reputations can and do still matter.
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City launch legal action against the Premier League | Club & PL reach settlement | Proceedings dropped (p1147)
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Oh dear.Retired judges have money , nice mansions and pensions,not sure they are bothered about reputation
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Played for the Red Rose back in the day(80/90s) Wythenshawe Sunday League,we had some great games against the Silver Birch.Silver birch played football for them back in the 90s
I probably reffed you.Played for the Red Rose back in the day(80/90s) Wythenshawe Sunday League,we had some great games against the Silver Birch.
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Excellent points, made with surgical precision.No lawyer, but .....
I think the difference is that the salary cap in the Saracens case was applied equally across all clubs in the league. The APT rules, as can be shown by the timing of their introduction and the definition of associated party, unfairly affect clubs that have a certain type of owner and a consequent type of business model.
I don't know if the club really has the goal of having the whole set of APT rules thrown out (if they wanted that they could have tried that between November 2023 and February 2024, for example). I suppose they could, though, and if they do they will probably not be successful for the stated reasons (which are probably also the reasons FFP itself has never been challenged).
I think it is more likely the club are aiming to have the more discriminatory rules and definitions changed to more generic terms that apply equally irrespective of who the owners care and what the business model is. They could have success there, I think (and let's not forget there were rules around the value of related party transactions before the APT rules, it's not like there isn't a fall-back position for the PL).
Which may be why some press reports say some wins and some defeats for both parties.
By the way, this doesn't mean that the club isn't asking for an assessment of the whole rule set. Why not aim high? I am suggesting their goal is to remove the discriminatory and unnecessarily burdensome nature of the February rule changes to the club and other clubs in the same situation.
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I would be upset if someone dismissed my point like that, personally i think it is a good point, maybe worded badly like most of mine, but still with merit, after all the ex Belgium PM has got lots of money but still gave a result UEFA wantedOh dear.
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Reputation is absolutely critical to the overwhelming majority of these people. It’s the currency they trade In and off.I would be upset if someone dismissed my point like that, personally i think it is a good point, maybe worded badly like most of mine, but still with merit, after all the ex Belgium PM has got lots of money but still gave a result UEFA wanted
To dismiss it lightly is very silly imho.
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Thanks , he is a troll who has latched onto me so dont worry about himI would be upset if someone dismissed my point like that, personally i think it is a good point, maybe worded badly like most of mine, but still with merit, after all the ex Belgium PM has got lots of money but still gave a result UEFA wanted
Fred_Quimby
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Interesting tweet from Stefan re the APT case - doesn't think we'll be successful
A very interesting and informative tweet from Stefan and thank you. My point is - do we think that our council will not have taken this into account before setting off on this multimillion pound case??
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Thoughts on what the outcome will be ??Looks like we’ll get a decision on the APT legal case at the PL meeting on Thursday morning
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Keep an eye in Zieglers twitter account tonight then.Looks like we’ll get a decision on the APT legal case at the PL meeting on Thursday morning
Don’t have a Scooby Doo. I don’t really know what the implications are of the case.Thoughts on what the outcome will be ??
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Perhaps a point being missed here is that even if we are not successful we have put down a marker. We will challenge the next dodgy rule change too. It shines a light on the premier league and costs them money. They won’t be be comfortable with either.
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Thoughts on what the outcome will be ??
We will lose this one
The same judge had similar case in Rugby, and I think he sided with controlled spending instead of free market.
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Possibly. He may order the PL to revert back to the old rules if he decides that rules should be in place to control spending but the new rules are discriminatory.We will lose this one
The same judge had similar case in Rugby, and I think he sided with controlled spending instead of free market.
It's not an all or nothing case though, is it?We will lose this one
The same judge had similar case in Rugby, and I think he sided with controlled spending instead of free market.
It will be decided on the gruesome technicalities of the mechanisms the Premier League uses to assess fair value, i.e. whether they are truly independent, whether they are excessively burdensome thus prohibitive to trade, whether they allow enough scope for growth etc. etc..
Utterly bizarre response, reputation in law is everything and much of our country's reputation is spiraling down the pan but law is something we are still incredibly good at.Retired judges have money , nice mansions and pensions,not sure they are bothered about reputation
Listen to the Athletic podcast on this case, a very good listen.Coudl the PL just argue that if they stop us increasing the etihad sponsorship, we could just use the next highest bidder which should be pretty close to what etihad are offering and of it's not then the etihad deal is inflated?
Possibility of shooting ourselves in the foot?
They made a very good argument that say a UAE business wants to sponsor us because it's makes them look good and brings in very good revenue/exposure in that area, they are more than happy to pay a premium to make that happen.
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We will lose this one
The same judge had similar case in Rugby, and I think he sided with controlled spending instead of free market.
There are three arbitrators. If Teare is the chairman, as was suggested on here earlier, then Dyson was presumably chosen by the PL. Likely the club chose Vajda who was arbitrator in the successful challenge (along with Dyson, by the way) by football agencies to the fee cap rule introduced by FIFA on football agents’ fees.
While interesting as a discussion point, I am not sure anything can be read into this case from the decisions made by the arbitrators on previous cases.
In my uneducated view, this case will be decided on the specific, and unique, rules in the PL handbook and whether the comply or not with English law. To my mind at least, those rules (or, at least, some elements of them) can be shown to be discriminatory, unfairly burdensome on a targeted group, and unnecessary to meet the PL's objectives.
But what the fuck do I know? :)