North Stand expansion - seating, ticketing etc

[jrb]

@jrb

I won't quote your post above but you can either say the new NS will be a mish mash or equally you could say it appeals to various sections of our supporter base. It can't be compared to SS3 as that is a very basic design with a very low quality concourse and basically a few kiosks serving food and drink. The new stand will link to the covered 3000 capacity City Square and it will have far superior food and drink offerings. The Sky Bar and GA+ sections plus hotel rooms take it to a completely different level compared to SS3.

I've been in SS3 since it opened and I think it's great but then I don't want any pre or post match entertainment and I don't buy any food or drink at the stadium. Fortunately for the club not everyone is such a miserable, tight **** like me though :)

I'm not denying the facilities in the new NS will be out of this world. The new NS will probably the best stand in the PL. And one of the best stands in world football.

I'm on about NSL2 and it's seating and standing configuration. It's neither one nor the other.

You never know, it might work. And if it does, I'm wrong, and credit to City for coming up with it and going with it.

We'll see.

 

[HelloCity]

Excluding the jibe in the last paragraph, which is bollocks, which would you rather prefer?

Edited for foul language

What a ridiculous and arrogant response to a post just giving my point of view.

 

[I'm not really here]

Maybe because there has been no standing for decades and it is only fairly recently that clubs have been firstly allowed to trial it and then actually install it permanently.

There are things that are common in Germany and elsewhere that would never be allowed here again. 1.5 standing ratio for rail seating, fences around the stands to prevent pitch invasions etc

1.5 standing ratio is possible here due to the safety rails preventing a crush. It's the traditional terracing with scattered crash barriers that will never return here

 

[Coatigan]

Oh fuck off you prick.

Why? Having compared the two, would you prefer a recreation of the south stand?

It was a needless and ridiculous jibe you included, more than happy to point that out.

 

[HelloCity]

Why? Having compared the two, would you prefer a recreation of the south stand?

Your jibes are ridiculous! And petty.

I genuinely have no idea what you’re talking about.

Quite frankly your reactions towards anyone and everyone wanting to push for an atmospheric end have been absolutely disgraceful.

I suggest you go and take a break from these threads and have a lie down or something because people don’t want constant bickering but you seem insistent on being argumentative with anyone who dares say the opposite to you.

I can’t be arsed with it anymore.

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

1.5 standing ratio is possible here due to the safety rails preventing a crush. It's the traditional terracing with scattered crash barriers that will never return here

It's absolutely possible but there is zero chance of it being allowed in my opinion.

 

[Lowtower]

Whats this obsession to be near the away fans ? I don't get it ?

Its so soft lads can pull on their Stone Island jumpers, goad people and pretend they are in Football Factory.

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

Its so soft lads can pull on their Stone Island jumpers, goad people and pretend they are in Football Factory.

Can they also point to an individual away fan and gesture that they can both have it outside?

 

[Lowtower]

Can they also point to an individual away fan and gesture that they can both have it outside?

I believe they can.

Hopefully this new stands caters for these people.

 

[Coatigan]

I genuinely have no idea what you’re talking about.

Quite frankly your reactions towards anyone and everyone wanting to push for an atmospheric end have been absolutely disgraceful.

I suggest you go and take a break from these threads and have a lie down or something because people don’t want constant bickering but you seem insistent on being argumentative with anyone who dares say the opposite to you.

I can’t be arsed with it anymore.

Your 'designed by committee to please everyone' jibe. Which is why I said that one, in the last paragraph.

The rest, I just asked which you would prefer ffs, given you compared the two.

Fwiw, I think even the worst imaginable version of the north stand (and you guys have some imagination!) is still a massive improvement on the existing north stand, and a significant improvement on the south stand. Would you rather they didn't build it? Replicated the south stand? They are valid questions, when people go on rubbishing it.

I don't think it will be as bad as people are so intent on imagining, but let's say you are right, what would you prefer?

 

[jrb]

I like digging. Thoughts come into my head and I have to try and find the answer.

Home end seating configurations at other PL grounds.

Spurs new stadium.

Populous was tasked by Tottenham Hotspur Chairman, Daniel Levy, to create a stadium that would surpass the noise levels of the club’s former home, White Hart Lane. In response, the design of the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium goes above and beyond to cultivate an extraordinary sense of place, belonging, and atmosphere.

“Daniel was obsessed with what the atmosphere was going to be like,” explains Tom Jones, Lead Architect. “White Hart Lane was known as having one of the best atmospheres in the Premier League and he didn’t want to lose that.”

In researching the stadium design, Mr Levy and Populous Managing Director Christopher Lee travelled the world, visiting hundreds of sports grounds. Those that most impressed with their atmosphere had a common feature: large, uninterrupted swathes of 'general admission seating' where the most passionate fans came together to sing and chant.

Make it Loud: Designing for Atmosphere at New Tottenham Hotspur Stadium | Populous

Learn how architects pushed the boundaries of design at the new Tottenham Hotspur Stadium to amplify the crowd noise on matchdays.

populous.com

What was the remit to Populous from City? What exactly did City want the NSL2 to offer AND TO BE?

 

[HelloCity]

Your 'designed by committee to please everyone' jibe. Which is why I said that one, in the last paragraph.

The rest, I just asked which you would prefer ffs, given you compared the two.

Fwiw, I think even the worst imaginable version of the north stand (and you guys have some imagination!) is still a massive improvement on the existing north stand, and a significant improvement on the south stand. Would you rather they didn't build it? Replicated the south stand? They are valid questions, when people go on rubbishing it.

I don't think it will be as bad as people are so intent on imagining, but let's say you are right, what would you prefer?

How is that a jibe and how is it all ‘bollocks’?

The reason it feels like design by committee to please everyone is because it includes so many different elements like I said - premium seats, family stand, standard seating, safe standing, sky bar. It’s a right mish mash of elements.

Genuinely going to be scared to post any opinions now.

 

[Coatigan]

I do like digging. Thoughts come into my head and I have to try and find the answer.

Home end seating configurations at other PL grounds.

Spurs new stadium.

Populous was tasked by Tottenham Hotspur Chairman, Daniel Levy, to create a stadium that would surpass the noise levels of the club’s former home, White Hart Lane. In response, the design of the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium goes above and beyond to cultivate an extraordinary sense of place, belonging, and atmosphere.

“Daniel was obsessed with what the atmosphere was going to be like,” explains Tom Jones, Lead Architect. “White Hart Lane was known as having one of the best atmospheres in the Premier League and he didn’t want to lose that.”

In researching the stadium design, Mr Levy and Populous Managing Director Christopher Lee travelled the world, visiting hundreds of sports grounds. Those that most impressed with their atmosphere had a common feature: large, uninterrupted swathes of general admission seating where the most passionate fans came together to sing and chant.

Make it Loud: Designing for Atmosphere at New Tottenham Hotspur Stadium | Populous

Learn how architects pushed the boundaries of design at the new Tottenham Hotspur Stadium to amplify the crowd noise on matchdays.

populous.com

So what was the remit to Populous from City? What exactly did City want the NSL2 to offer. What was the most important thing/s to City that the new NS/L2 offered?

Give us a designed by committe piece of crap, apparently.

But, joking aside, c'mon, you do know the answer. You have read the statements, and what the club have been saying. They are clearly intent on providing an an atmospheric end, and have based the whole thing around that.

Just because a group of people have a very prescriptive take on what that needs to be, doesn't mean the club don't want the same thing. Or that they don't know how to deliver it.

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

I believe they can.

Hopefully this new stands caters for these people.

Only the ones with hawk like eyesight though as they'll be around 150 yards away from each other....

 

[Lowtower]

I like digging. Thoughts come into my head and I have to try and find the answer.

Home end seating configurations at other PL grounds.

Spurs new stadium.

Populous was tasked by Tottenham Hotspur Chairman, Daniel Levy, to create a stadium that would surpass the noise levels of the club’s former home, White Hart Lane. In response, the design of the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium goes above and beyond to cultivate an extraordinary sense of place, belonging, and atmosphere.

“Daniel was obsessed with what the atmosphere was going to be like,” explains Tom Jones, Lead Architect. “White Hart Lane was known as having one of the best atmospheres in the Premier League and he didn’t want to lose that.”

In researching the stadium design, Mr Levy and Populous Managing Director Christopher Lee travelled the world, visiting hundreds of sports grounds. Those that most impressed with their atmosphere had a common feature: large, uninterrupted swathes of 'general admission seating' where the most passionate fans came together to sing and chant.

Make it Loud: Designing for Atmosphere at New Tottenham Hotspur Stadium | Populous

Learn how architects pushed the boundaries of design at the new Tottenham Hotspur Stadium to amplify the crowd noise on matchdays.

populous.com

What was the remit to Populous from City? What exactly did City want the NSL2 to offer AND TO BE?

Tom Jones and Christopher Lee were involved?

Impressive.

 

[TheGhost]

Think how long it took to get to the rail seating, as an option of returning mass standing in big stadia.

I understand that but there’s lots of money to be made. What do football clubs care about most?

 

[Coatigan]

How is that a jibe and how is it all ‘bollocks’?

The reason it feels like design by committee to please everyone is because it includes so many different elements like I said - premium seats, family stand, standard seating, safe standing, sky bar. It’s a right mish mash of elements.

Genuinely going to be scared to post any opinions now.

The way it was worded was a jibe, and unless the club are that daft to hinge a 300m development on a design by committee, it was obviously (you added the all) bollocks. Besides ALL stands around the ground have a mix of the things you note, bar the sky bar being a different format of hospitality elsewhere, so it is nothing controversial.

But I do appreciate the gesture of you editing your post, not that I took anything to heart from a bit of an overreaction btw. It will happen to me at some point too no doubt, all fine there.

The rest of your post, I though had an apt comparison. My which would you prefer queation, was honest.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

We’re going to end up a singing section with a terrible view of the game low behind the goal in SSL1 or another one right at the back of NSL2. They will barely be able to hear each other.

I think I’ll be staying in SSL3. Hopefully move a bit closer to the away fans from where I am now.

Although from where I park/walk back to get in my car logic would say move to the NS I'm more than happy in a shoddy finished SS3 near the away fans....95% chance I'll stay where I am.

I suspect most of SS3 won't want to move.

 

[HelloCity]

The way it was worded was a jibe, and unless the club are that daft to hinge a 300m development on a design by committee, it was obviously (you added the all) bollocks. Besides ALL stands around the ground have a mix of the things you note, bar the sky bar being a different format of hospitality elsewhere, so it is nothing controversial.

But I do appreciate you editing your post, not that I took anything to heart from a bit of an overreaction. It will happen to me at some point too no doubt, all fine there.

The rest of your post, I though had an apt comparison. My which would you prefer queation, was honest.

It wasn’t and I still have no idea how.

 

[Coatigan]

It wasn’t and I still have no idea how.

Ok, my apologies, I misunderstood.

(Not being sarcastic btw, if you say so I believe you)