North Stand expansion - seating, ticketing etc

[Coatigan]

Regardless of the build time, the club have either made their mind up about the North stand seating configuration, season ticket costs, match day ticket costs, etc, or they haven’t yet. The build isn’t important as such. What’s important is when the club makes an announcement to the fans on those things, so the fans can plan if they are moving to the NS or not, where they are moving to the NS, and if they can afford to move to the NS. That’s what the fans will want to know about first and foremost, not about the build of the NS, like we do.

Of course. But we don't know that they have blown it, do we.

 

[TheGhost]

Get to change the version of Blue Moon at game start while they're talking atmosphere. the punk version thing is shite.

Let’s be honest, Blue Moon is a bit of a dirge full stop. Not as bad as YNWA obvs.

 

[jrb]

Of course. But we don't know that they have blown it, do we.

I’ve never said the club have blown it. Neither have a lot of other people posting on this thread and on the the construction thread. Is there a difference of opinion about how the club has configured the North stand, yes there is, but there’s nothing wrong with that as the fans want different things for the North stand. It’s impossible for all the fans, even the fans who post on this thread and on the construction thread to all want the same thing for the North stand.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

It wouldn’t.

Fair enough, but it’s better than not trying at all. Having singers at both ends would certainly help.

 

[jrb]

Let’s be honest, Blue Moon is a bit of a dirge full stop. Not as bad as YNWA obvs.

Or Country Road at OT, or whatever it’s called.

 

[pride in battle]

I think there needs to be some middle ground here. There are posters who have thrown in the towel on this project, at a time when it's best to take action and try and improve things. There are others too, who are far too trusting in the club's incentives.

We can't wait and see what happens, that will be too late. I completely appreciate 1894 will have first heard about this and had dreams of a 7,000 single tier safe standing expansion where they'd make a racket and we'd have the best atmosphere in the country by a mile. Sign me up for that. However, it's got to be balanced. There are other fans to consider. There are other demographics to consider. And behind all of this is the driving force - increasing revenue. None of it happens if the numbers don't work on the spreadsheet.

But one thing I would highlight, particularly based on some of your posts @jrb is that the 3,000 safe standing "seats" could be increase - the club have stated as much. It all depends on interest.

You've highlighted a number of issues and there could be a number of fans thinking "I don't want to sit in front of a bunch of people standing all game" and look to move. So the 3,000 could become 4,000 or 5,000. It depends on who is interested in moving over there when more information on ticketing/relocating becomes available.

But in the meantime it's certainly worthwhile for 1894 to try and liaise with the club and make some suggestions, because it will be the best area to create an atmosphere. I think there are compromises that are far worse elsewhere personally. You've got the positive of being next to the away fans, but in small numbers, at the front of the SS and separated from other vocal areas. At least being together, makes the noise work from the offset. And I'd expect the club would see more people looking to move into it to create noise if that's the starting point, and equally seeing plenty move out looking for some peace and quiet. With a good section of U21 (should be 18-25) in there, the future could be bright as well.

I think there needs to be some middle ground here. There are posters who have thrown in the towel on this project, at a time when it's best to take action and try and improve things. There are others too, who are far too trusting in the club's incentives.

We can't wait and see what happens, that will be too late. I completely appreciate 1894 will have first heard about this and had dreams of a 7,000 single tier safe standing expansion where they'd make a racket and we'd have the best atmosphere in the country by a mile. Sign me up for that. However, it's got to be balanced. There are other fans to consider. There are other demographics to consider. And behind all of this is the driving force - increasing revenue. None of it happens if the numbers don't work on the spreadsheet.

But one thing I would highlight, particularly based on some of your posts @jrb is that the 3,000 safe standing "seats" could be increase - the club have stated as much. It all depends on interest.

You've highlighted a number of issues and there could be a number of fans thinking "I don't want to sit in front of a bunch of people standing all game" and look to move. So the 3,000 could become 4,000 or 5,000. It depends on who is interested in moving over there when more information on ticketing/relocating becomes available.

But in the meantime it's certainly worthwhile for 1894 to try and liaise with the club and make some suggestions, because it will be the best area to create an atmosphere. I think there are compromises that are far worse elsewhere personally. You've got the positive of being next to the away fans, but in small numbers, at the front of the SS and separated from other vocal areas. At least being together, makes the noise work from the offset. And I'd expect the club would see more people looking to move into it to create noise if that's the starting point, and equally seeing plenty move out looking for some peace and quiet. With a good section of U21 (should be 18-25) in there, the future could be bright as well.

The elephant in the room is that 1894 don't want to move there...the chance to have a proper home end and it appears they have spat their dummy out...why ?

 

[johnnytapia]

Fair enough, but it’s better than not trying at all. Having singers at both ends would certainly help.

You’re right. Just think it’s always been the case : most grounds, including ours, are fairly quiet most of the match

 

[pride in battle]

That will come down to the design brief set by the client.
Spurs was simple - wide expanse of seats and atmosphere
Ours was - sky walk, goal line bar, fan zone, GA + tickets, or in lay man’s terms something to extract as much money out of the fan base as possible.
That is the difference

And you dont think Levy at Spurs was thinking pound signs ?

 

[pride in battle]

Fucking lol.

Good old people's club Spursy chairman, right old do-gooder he is.

You seem the shit at Spurs? They have a rooftop platform too, starts every game off, and all sorts of shit including go-karting beneath the stands. fml.

Daniel is such a great person, only thinking of the fans, not money...

 

[jrb]

The elephant in the room is that 1894 don't want to move there...the chance to have a proper home end and it appears they have spat their dummy out...why ?

Apart from being in 1894, I’ve explained why I don’t want to move to NSL2. Please accept my explanation.

I don’t want to be stood at the back of NSL2 in front of hotel room balconies, and behind 5000 seated fans. If I wanted to do something similar I’d move to the back of SSL3, minus the hotel room balconies.

Pie in the sky I know. If I had the opportunity to stand at the front of NSL2 with 1000’s of other singers, do drop down banners, wave telescopic flags, showing our support to the team, the rest of the Etihad, and the away fans, and being part of a vocal bridge between NSL1 below and NSL2 from front to back, I would definitely consider moving to NSL2.

 

[jrb]

And you dont think Levy at Spurs was thinking pound signs ?

Is Levy any different to Soriano? (and the North stand expansion)

 

[pride in battle]

Apart from being in 1894, I’ve explained why I don’t want to move to NSL2. Please accept my explanation.

I don’t want to be stood at the back of NSL2 in front of hotel room balconies, and behind 5000 seated fans. If I wanted to do something similar I’d move to the back of SSL3, minus the hotel room balconies.

Pie in the sky I know. If I had the opportunity to stand at the front of NSL2 with 1000’s of other singers, do drop down banners, wave telescopic flags, showing our support to the team, the rest of the Etihad, and the away fans, and being part of a vocal bridge between NSL1 below and NSL2 from front to back, I would definitely consider moving to NSL2.

But the singing section SHOULD be at the back of the stand, thats where it will give the most noise out, i can't believe that guys like yourself and 1894 want a home end yet are blaming the club ? They have provided it to you on a plate, here's a spanking new stand, rail seats, fantastic acoustics yet you shrug your shoulders and go 'nah im staying where i am'
BIZZARE ?????

 

[pride in battle]

Is Levy any different to Soriano? (and the North stand expansion)

No but a poster was saying spurs have that home end now, yet the season tickets are £1000 ?

 

[jrb]

But the singing section SHOULD be at the back of the stand, thats where it will give the most noise out, i can't believe that guys like yourself and 1894 want a home end yet are blaming the club ? They have provided it to you on a plate, here's a spanking new stand, rail seats, fantastic acoustics yet you shrug your shoulders and go 'nah im staying where i am'
BIZZARE ?????

Why should it be at the back of the North stand? It’s being placed at the back of the North stand because the seats at the front and in the middle of the North stand will generate more match day revenue. It’s as simple that.

That aside, basic stuff like drop down banners, and waving telescopic flags, which 1894 do, either can’t be done or won’t be seen at the back of the North stand, hence why the club have their own tifo display mechanism at the front of NSL2, which will be used before the start of the game.

With or without 1894, NSL2 will generate an atmosphere. All it needs is a proper and organised singing section.

 

[jrb]

No but a poster was saying spurs have that home end now, yet the season tickets are £1000 ?

I posted the price list for match day tickets. And once again, as a rule, like everything in London, like the cost of living, ticket prices are higher. So is the average weekly wage in London. It’s all relative.

My season ticket is nearly £800 now on SSL1.

 

[pride in battle]

Why should it be at the back of the North stand? It’s being placed at the back of the North stand because the seats at the front and in the middle of the North stand will generate more match day revenue. It’s a simple that.

That aside, basic stuff like drop down banners, and waving telescopic flags, which 1894 do, either can’t be done or won’t be seen at the back of the stand, hence why the club have their own tifo display mechanism at the front of NSL2, which will be used before the start of the game.

With or without 1894, NSL2 will generate atmosphere. All it needs is a proper and organised singing section.

Why because you have the singers under the roof, you know thats the best place.
You just make excuse after excuse, if the Sheik read some of stuff on here...fucking hell, embarassing...

 

[pride in battle]

They aren’t. I posted the price list. And once again, as a rule, like everything in London, like the cost of living, ticket prices are higher. So is the average weekly wage in London. It’s all relative.

Yes but its a cash cow, like ours will be, you don't spend 300 million and give tickets away for £20, there has to be a compromise which is lost on a lot of people on here who want cheap tickets, oh and throw in a couple of free pints cos were loaded...

 

[jrb]

Yes but its a cash cow, like ours will be, you don't spend 300 million and give tickets away for £20, there has to be a compromise which is lost on a lot of people on here who want cheap tickets, oh and throw in a couple of free pints cos were loaded...

Stop being silly. Nobody has ever said City should sell PL match tickets for £20. And throw in free pints.

Sheikh Mansour will eventually get all his money back. If he doesn’t his sons will.

The club made an £80mill operating profit last financial year, and made over £100mill in transfer sales this year.

If Sheikh Mansour sold City and walked away tomorrow he’d make a profit on his investment in the club.

PS. Obviously the cost of the legal team fighting Masters and the PL will have an impact on future operating profits.

 

[Manchester33]

But the singing section SHOULD be at the back of the stand, thats where it will give the most noise out, i can't believe that guys like yourself and 1894 want a home end yet are blaming the club ? They have provided it to you on a plate, here's a spanking new stand, rail seats, fantastic acoustics yet you shrug your shoulders and go 'nah im staying where i am'
BIZZARE ?????

You’re looking at it too simplistically. What 1894 have said is that they don’t plan to move with the current proposals.


You’re trying to make the point that the club is giving us this perfect opportunity, but the reality is that it’s not perfect. They’re lumping hospitality sections in the key areas of the stand. They’re only putting 3k rail seats in stretched across the back and down the sides. They aren’t committing to a pricing policy. They aren’t adding new affordable season cards.

Atmosphere is not important to them.

It could easily be the perfect opportunity handed to us on a plate. But the priority is match day revenue (which is fair - but it’s not going to move me from SSL1).

 

[Manchester33]

Yes but its a cash cow, like ours will be, you don't spend 300 million and give tickets away for £20, there has to be a compromise which is lost on a lot of people on here who want cheap tickets, oh and throw in a couple of free pints cos were loaded...

There are sensible alternatives though (like increasing corporate/hospitality sections in CBL2 and ESL2 rather than putting them front and centre of NSL2).