North Stand expansion - seating, ticketing etc

jrb said:
The KOP.

The latest installation phase took place this summer when a further 3,000 rail seats were placed on the Kop, in the remainder of blocks 202-208, up to row 33.

This took the total to 7,425 rail seats on the Kop, just over 55 per cent of stand capacity. The club plans to extend rail seating on the Kop next year to blocks 102-108, up to row 13.
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Thought the whole kop had been done barring a few rows at the bottom
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
If we can get to 5,000 rail seats that would be amazing and it would a better balance compared to seated areas.
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We should sell those 3000 rail seats easily. Apart from 50,000 current fans on a match day, there are 1000's of fans who are desperate for a season ticket.

The club have to sell those seats. There's no point in having 8000 additional seats if many seats remain empty.

The pressure will be on the club to get the pricing right so those seats are affordable for existing fans and new fans, and are sold out for every home game, not just for the big games
 
Can’t we have rail seating that isn’t in the lower tier with a crap view of the pitch or right in the Gods at the back of a stand?

People who want to create an atmosphere want a good view of the game too.
 
jrb said:
The KOP.

The latest installation phase took place this summer when a further 3,000 rail seats were placed on the Kop, in the remainder of blocks 202-208, up to row 33.

This took the total to 7,425 rail seats on the Kop, just over 55 per cent of stand capacity. The club plans to extend rail seating on the Kop next year to blocks 102-108, up to row 13.
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I thought a very vocal minority of Liverpool fans were adamant that there should never be standing back in Anfield.

It passed me by that the Kop is mostly safe standing now.
 
TheGhost said:
Can’t we have rail seating that isn’t in the lower tier with a crap view of the pitch or right in the Gods at the back of a stand?

People who want to create an atmosphere want a good view of the game too.
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I guess the club have to make sure people who are sat down also have a view
So they need to be careful where the safe standing zone is situated
 
jrb said:
Regarding pricing for NSL2.

We know the first 10 rows of seats on NSL2 are going to be hospitality, so those seats will be priced accordingly dependent on what the hospitality offering is.

The seats directly behind hospitality and up to the singing section are going to be block priced, like they are on every stand and tier in the stadium.

The safe standing seats at the back of NSL2 might be cheaper, but there’s no guarantee of that. The current safe standing seats on SSL1 aren’t much cheaper as a rule.

These are the current seat pricing categories for SSL3, which could mirror NSL2, front, middle, and back, hospitality, normal seating, safe standing seating, with different prices on NSL3 compared to SSL3.

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The club could go with a complete mish-mash of block pricing for NSL2 like they have done with ESL3(below) and CBL3.

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I always keep the receipts…
Centurions said:
Except we don't "all know there's going to be corporate stuck smack bang in the middle of what should be a dedicated City end" because that's bollocks and you won't find that stated anywhere whatsoever. Why post crap that's only in your own head as fact?
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LongsightM13 said:
I always keep the receipts…
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"Yep. And we all know there’s going to be corporate stuck smack bang in the middle of what should be a dedicated City end."


Since when was the first 10(?) rows of a 6,000 seat tier "smack bang in the middle"?

Besides which they're not corporate no matter how many times someone repeats it.

You should have thrown that receipt away...
 
Centurions said:
"Yep. And we all know there’s going to be corporate stuck smack bang in the middle of what should be a dedicated City end."


Since when was the first 10(?) rows of a 6,000 seat tier "smack bang in the middle"?

Besides which they're not corporate no matter how many times someone repeats it.

You should have thrown that receipt away...
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To argue those seats aren’t smack bang in the middle is incredibly pedantic.

They’re literally in the key area to link NSL2 + NSL1.

They might not be corporate, but they are posh seats which won’t be targeted at the type of fan who generally creates atmosphere.
 
Manchester33 said:
To argue those seats aren’t smack bang in the middle is incredibly pedantic.

They’re literally in the key area to link NSL2 + NSL1.

They might not be corporate, but they are posh seats which won’t be targeted at the type of fan who generally creates atmosphere.
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I think there is an opportunity to try and encourage singers from similar areas in other parts of the ground eg. Joe’s and 93:20. There won’t be loads but enough to make a bit of a difference I reckon.
 
Manchester33 said:
To argue those seats aren’t smack bang in the middle is incredibly pedantic.

They’re literally in the key area to link NSL2 + NSL1.

They might not be corporate, but they are posh seats which won’t be targeted at the type of fan who generally creates atmosphere.
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Sweeping claims like this, are a bit poor.
 
jrb said:
We know the first 10 rows of seats on NSL2 are going to be hospitality, so those seats will be priced accordingly dependent on what the hospitality offering is.
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Not to be pedantic, but it is 5 rows. At least as per the PA.
 
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jrb said:
You aren’t being pedantic.

It is 5 rows.

For some reason I had 10 rows in my head.

Maybe I want the club to double the size of the GA+ seats at the front of NSL2?
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Ha maybe. There is perhaps a bit of alternative reading into the recent club statement to the contrary as one possibility, but one for another day.
 
supercity88 said:
When you're a group that's solely focussed on improving the atmosphere, you will inevitably have strong opinions on how this stand should look. The starting point would be for the majority of the stand to be safe standing, second to that would be attractive pricing for people to relocate and there would also be a list of things you wouldn't want to see, which would include hospitality areas. I think the fact the club sought to engage with 1894 and saw them as pivotal to unlocking this new home end meant they went in with full confidence, and that's slowly been eroded as proposals have been announced.

I think the fact that the club engaged on this quite late in the day, when plans were advanced and the application was due to be submitted led to a lack of trust that the engagement with fans was meaningful. This latest statement from the Club doesn't go far enough in their opinion, and I expect due to the process so far, they don't expect things to improve.

As I said, I think in spite of the fact it's not 100% what 1894 want right now, it ticks the boxes in a lot of ways. Firstly, it provides a huge number of seats in a single tier which is ideal for creating an atmosphere. Secondly, it is providing safe standing areas albeit initially not as many as desired. But the current issues with atmosphere are unlikely to be addressed. You could move the away fans and create a more vocal area in the SS. SSL3 being the ideal place to increase the atmosphere around the ground. But it requires thousands of people to move around the stadium and it's just unrealistic at this stage.

Work with what you've got and then push for more. If we can get singers in the 3,000 safe standing seats under the roof the atmosphere increases because of the acoustics. It's then inevitable that people want to move in to that stand to join in as time goes on. It's also inevitable that those wanting a more peaceful experience move elsewhere. The club are looking to get younger fans in the stand too, and they're the future and will probably want to stand and sing rather than sit in silence, especially with a section making noise behind them.

What I'd like 1894 to do is think about the mindset of non-singers. Would they want to sit in a stand behind the goal knowing they've got 3,000 likely raucous people stood up chanting all game? If I was someone who liked to sit and watch and only join in the occasional song I wouldn't fancy that personally. If they continue to work with the club or push it with members, they could say to City we have 6,000 who want to stand in the new NS can you accommodate that rather than 3,000? Or could you look to do it in the future? Could you also work with us on ticketing/relocation information so we can discuss with our members and wider fan base too.
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Like I said yesterday, we have to drive it ourselves. Don’t rely on the club.

We must have 7,000 people who stand behind the goal at Wembley. We have the numbers with the desire to stand.

If we push this ourselves as a set of fans and not just sit back and wait for the club to do it, we will make this stand special. Sitting back and waiting for the club to do it will see us as a fanbase and the club as a whole miss out on this opportunity.

We have to push this positively.
 
M23 Citizen said:
Like I said yesterday, we have to drive it ourselves. Don’t rely on the club.

We must have 7,000 people who stand behind the goal at Wembley. We have the numbers with the desire to stand.

If we push this ourselves as a set of fans and not just sit back and wait for the club to do it, we will make this stand special. Sitting back and waiting for the club to do it will see us as a fanbase and the club as a whole miss out on this opportunity.

We have to push this positively.
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I agree with you 100%

But how would you suggest we push it?
 
TheGhost said:
I thought a very vocal minority of Liverpool fans were adamant that there should never be standing back in Anfield.

It passed me by that the Kop is mostly safe standing now.
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Im sure they were. I would argue more than a minority (understandably considering their history and Hillsborough relatives mind set). Not sure when this changed either!!
 
Bluearmy said:
Im sure they were. I would argue more than a minority (understandably considering their history and Hillsborough relatives mind set). Not sure when this changed either!!
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Don't think it changed, just think the club stopped listening to the vocal minority and went ahead with what the silent majority wanted.
 
I'm not really here said:
I agree with you 100%

But how would you suggest we push it?
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Good point. I’m guessing he means that as many singers should relocate there as soon as they’re able to do so. The trouble is, at this stage we don’t know the number of fans who will be allowed to relocate, and how many of that number will be allowed to relocate to the safe standing area in particular (which is where, you’d imagine, most of the atmosphere will be generated from). Of the initial proposed 3000 safe standing spaces, it could be 1000 relocations/1000 Flexi Gold/1000 Match Day tickets, in which case we (existing season ticket holders in other areas of the ground who decide to relocate) can only “push it” so much and we’re then left hoping that as many of the other 2000 in there will contribute to the atmosphere (I’m not saying they won’t by the way but we literally wouldn’t know how many would be up for it).

Obviously those numbers I’ve cited above are purely hypothetical and we really need to see some more detail from the club with regards to the split.
 
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