PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

youngbob said:
I don't really come in this thread because, to be honest, I don't really care. I only really care what happens on the pitch. I've supported City for 25 years. The success has been amazing but it's not a dealbreaker, or even that important. It's something I share with my mum and we've seen it all together. I can't really be arsed caring about the ins and outs of what happens between the millionaires and suits in our boardroom.

They won't strip us of titles because we've not been match fixing, so whatever happens will only have an impact on our future. The memories we've made will be preserved. And even if they relegate us all the way to the National League and all our players leave, they're all contracted so will need to be sold. It's not like a Rangers situation where the company collapsed and the players could leave of their own accord because their contracts expired by default.

Can you imagine the money raised by selling even half of this squad? We'd have the cash to build the best squad at every stage of the English football pyramid as we get promoted back to the Premier League within 3-5 years, ticking off some great milestones and visiting some cracking grounds along the way, and we'd be back in the big time after a memorable journey, surely breaking dozens of records along the way and coming back with a clean slate.

Something people don't understand is that we're too big to go away now. Even Rangers - in the dire financial straits they ended up in - were back in the top flight four years after going into liquidation. They were Scottish Cup finalists while still in the Championship and SPL champions again within nine years. They've won seven trophies (three major, four minor) since 2012 which is the kind of record we'd have dreamed of through the 80s, 90s, and 00s.

And my god, could you imagine if we win the league this year, get relegated down to the National League, eventually return to the Premier League in 2029, and still win the title again before United do? I've only just realised how funny that would be and how surprisingly short those odds would probably be as well, which would be a laugh on its own. So yeah, I just don't mind. What happens, happens. I love City; I'll always keep watching.
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I’d say we all love City. I love City too much to let a shower of corrupt twats walk away Scot free from tarnishing our name. I want all the cunts destroyed in every way.

I’m not a turning the cheek kind of guy and id expect there are a lot like me who don’t want any quarter given to cunts who’ve tried to destroy us.
 
antspider said:
So the incompetence of the Premier League is costing everyone .
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I wonder what the protocol is for a vote of no confidence in Masters.

Presumably the threshold for it to carry is two thirds, but if any more than eight voted in favour his position has got to be untenable.

Think he’d be mortally wounded (assuming he isn’t already) if it was more than six.

Think Forest, Everton, Leicester, Newcastle and us would be nailed on.

Chelsea and Villa possibles.

Ipswich and Southampton unknown quantities.

Maybe Wolves because of all the VAR decisions last season, notwithstanding the evidence they gave against us.

Maybe one or two of the others if they could see which way the wind was blowing.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
One thing that is coming out of the Associated Parties hearing is just how bad the Premier League are in acting in good faith to City. Dragging its heals over giving feedback to the club on what the outcome of their verdicts were on sponsors. Putting over reaching illegal legislation in place to stop City, what were their lawyers saying to them when they looked at the fine print of these new rules and they said they were legal. Or did the Premier League ignore the advice and follow through with implementing the rules?

This week has given me and hopefully you lot as well confidence that City’s legal team will take the Premier League apart when this reaches its conclusion. There needs to be some objective focus on how corrupt they have become as an organisation from the wider football world but I very much doubt it. If we thought the document released on Monday was an eye opener into how badly the Premier League is run is an eye opener, what we will get at the 115 charges hearing will be some essential reading to what Masters and his cronies have been up to.

Of all the hearings for City, Everton, Leicester and Forest only one has been found to be a straight forward case for the PL without any legal pushbacks. They must be regretting the day they voted in their PSR rules as it’s costing them a lot of money in lawyers to continually get shown up.
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You are right. The APT documents paint a picture of total chaos at the PL. That includes the shambolic way they have interacted with us on the sponsorship deals. The way they have communicated with us and other clubs is chaotic with last minute panic-stricken emails about the Newcastle case and nonsensical disingenious press statements that show the PL is not even sure of the meaning of the Judges' ruling. It shows a totaly unprofessional and toxic management culture with multiple Club Directors spouting off the media at the drop of a hat. Masters has presided over a crisis of his own making. All this bodes well for the 115 hearing. It looks as if Masters really is as stupid as he looks and completely out of his depth.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
You are right. The APT documents paint a picture of total chaos at the PL. That includes the shambolic way they have interacted with us on the sponsorship deals. The way they have communicated with us and other clubs is chaotic with last minute panic-stricken emails about the Newcastle case and nonsensical disingenious press statements that show the PL is not even sure of the meaning of the Judges' ruling. It shows a totaly unprofessional and toxic management culture with multiple Club Directors spouting off the media at the drop of a hat. Masters has presided over a crisis of his own making. All this bodes well for the 115 hearing. It looks as if Masters really is as stupid as he looks and completely out of his depth.
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I think the **** is completely out of his depth. We all know why he was picked for the job, but that inevitably comes with a deficit of ability.
 
Colin Bells Boots said:
He might not make it that far if it could be proved that he has acted corruptly or in a conspiracy to defraud.

Big dollops of wishful thinking here obviously.
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To be honest some of it has a whiff of corruption. How can any CEO have private discussions with one group of shareholders about the financial affairs of another member. The Newcastle email shows at the very least he had conversations with ten other clubs about taking action to prevent investment at Newcastle. Did he include Newcastle in the loop? Also what is in the "disgraceful" emails Tolmie has mentioned. How much of this activity has been illegal. The ATP report suggests that Masters ignored his own legal advice and ended up with rules which breached competition law. Apparently Arsenal (who had big shareholder interest free loans) were tasked with drafting rules which had a direct negative financial impact on Newcastle and City.. And those rules breached competition law because they exempted shareholder loans. So who is going to investigate what has been going on at the Premier League?
 
r.soleofsalford said:
I’d say we all love City. I love City too much to let a shower of corrupt twats walk away Scot free from tarnishing our name. I want all the cunts destroyed in every way.

I’m not a turning the cheek kind of guy and id expect there are a lot like me who don’t want any quarter given to cunts who’ve tried to destroy us.
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Burn them all !
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
To be honest some of it has a whiff of corruption. How can any CEO have private discussions with one group of shareholders about the financial affairs of another member. The Newcastle email shows at the very least he had conversations with ten other clubs about taking action to prevent investment at Newcastle. Did he include Newcastle in the loop? Also what is in the "disgraceful" emails Tolmie has mentioned. How much of this activity has been illegal. The ATP report suggests that Masters ignored his own legal advice and ended up with rules which breached competition law. Apparently Arsenal (who had big shareholder interest free loans) were tasked with drafting rules which had a direct negative financial impact on Newcastle and City.. And those rules breached competition law because they exempted shareholder loans. So who is going to investigate what has been going on at the Premier League?
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god i wish Emirates would pull sponsorship money out of the financial dopers
 
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Churchlawtonblue said:
@bridgeno1 do you agree with this statement?
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Do I think the PL is incompetent?

No.

Incompetent is too polite. The PL is a narcissistic establishment where the lunatics are running the asylum. Its sole purpose is to make money at the physical cost of the players, but in particular at the monetary and emotional cost of you and me, the everyday fan who just wants a level playing field and would rather not have to pay absurd amounts of money to watch our team whilst simulateously being treated like something that fell out the back of a dog if the club decides a different demographic -read wealthy 'tourists' who pay massively over the odds from resellers (who get the tickets and share the margins with people at the club) can make them more money (and then we wonder why we have to bring in fake 'ultras' to create an atmosphere).

The PL employs staff who'd immediately be fired if they worked at a decent corporation for being unfit to do their job. Look at the Leicester situation as an example. How the heck has the PL screwed that up? It's absurd. Some other team may end up going down this season because the PL fucked up the one fucking job they had to do which was run the game correctly. And the lawsuits will follow, no doubt about that.

Regarding the current APT lawsuit City brought, and the ongoing 115 case, to be honest I don't trust any of it that we'll get to the actual 'truth'. It's because football clubs' prime reason to exist is to make money and the PL is the supposed kingpin that makes that happen. And in such a closed, unregulated environment the chances are it'll all be corrupt as fuck as nobody wants to stop the gravy train and backhanders. Just look at how corrupt FIFA, UEFA, the IOC etc have all proven to be. All unregulated fiefdoms. The PL is the same, of that I have no doubt.

Personally I'd fuck the PL off and create a new league. Let clubs spend whatever they want, the one caveat being a strict limit on the amount of debt you can be in. Like actual debt, not some made up FFP bollocks rules.

Long answer I know, but you did ask for my opinion so here it is!
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
To be honest some of it has a whiff of corruption. How can any CEO have private discussions with one group of shareholders about the financial affairs of another member. The Newcastle email shows at the very least he had conversations with ten other clubs about taking action to prevent investment at Newcastle. Did he include Newcastle in the loop? Also what is in the "disgraceful" emails Tolmie has mentioned. How much of this activity has been illegal. The ATP report suggests that Masters ignored his own legal advice and ended up with rules which breached competition law. Apparently Arsenal (who had big shareholder interest free loans) were tasked with drafting rules which had a direct negative financial impact on Newcastle and City.. And those rules breached competition law because they exempted shareholder loans. So who is going to investigate what has been going on at the Premier League?
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Not sure about how much interest this fiasco will have attracted to the constabularly, but it certainly seems that a number of deceitful bordering upon unlawful/ corrupt acts have taken place within the PL.

And if it could be shown that Masters acted unlawfully whilst exercising his role as CEO , by deliberately restricting Newcastle's sponsorship deals, then would that not constitute a criminal act ?


Perhaps GDM could advise, but presumably even that duplicitous **** and the PL aren't that fucking stupid ?
 
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