City launch legal action against the Premier League | Club & PL reach settlement | Proceedings dropped (p1147)

[Dribble]

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I'll forever love Bobby Manc for this reason alone. The Pisscan shit himself! :-)

 

[sir baconface]

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I really think he should have shown more respect to a knight of the realm….

….One of my all-time favourite City moments.

 

[Metalartin]

City are paying more than you have calculated
From a Foi request

The following table details the basic rent paid by MCFC for the most recent financial year, Apr 14 – Mar 15.

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I worked out last year that City have paid around £80m+. From lease payments at various rates for 20 years, totalling around £50m. The Naming rights at around £1m per season from 2011 onwards totalling around £12m. The £6m + Maine Road assets which were sold for £14m by the council, as part as the managing lease deal City wanted.

The council are well in profit for their £33m contribution which ever way you calculate it.

Sport England were never likely expecting to get their money back. Which is majority lottery funded. There was an event taking place in Manchester and they were in charge of making it as best as it could be. They didn't want a smaller temporary stadium that would have cost £60+ to do, with no lasting legacy. Neither did the council. City stepped in and it suited everyone how it worked out. Especially the council.

 

[BlueAnorak]

City are paying more than you have calculated
From a Foi request

The following table details the basic rent paid by MCFC for the most recent financial year, Apr 14 – Mar 15.

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Well, we'll pay for the whole of the Commonwealth games within 20 years if that's the case!

 

[blue b4 the moon]

What are Chelsea up to? In some ways you have to admire Chelsea…they do stuff that we can’t understand and yet somehow it seems to work.

Maybe they're going to vote with us to have soft loans interest bearing but only from the vote date....get it in under the wire and all that?

 

[Manc in London]

This is why I'm always dubious when people say the lawyers/judges on these tribunals can be trusted to come to the correct decision because there have a reputation for probity and competence to uphold. It was clearly stated that the target was the "gulf state" owners - not hinted at or implied - they used the actual words. But they still accepted the pathetic excuse that it was just an example. I doubt you'd get away with that in your school home work.

I suspect we would need to show evidence it was a pattern of behaviour rather than what may have been an isolated incident.

 

[halfcenturyup]

No fan of Panja but that's a bit of a cheap shot bearing in mind @slbsn himself was saying the judgment was a score draw or a slight City win until recently.

Have to own up when you get something wrong. I do it all the time :)

 

[Prophet of Doom]

I disagree. She mentions financial controls to keep the PL competitive, but where was her concern when ManUre & Chelsea spent over a decade divvying up PL titles between them?

If anything, she's inadvertently spilled the beans. Wasn't FFP & PSR meant to control rising debt in football to stop another Portsmouth from happening? Where is her concern over debt?

Nah, her concern is stopping other clubs from investing in their squads so the Hammers don't get left behind & have to start looking over their shoulders at relegation. This is Brady wanting to drag everyone down to her level, rather than investing so WHU improve to a level where they can compete for the PL title & CL places. This is the dream for all fans of PL teams, not just annual PL survival.

Think about what she's actually saying. It's not fair if clubs like City have ambitions & put their owners money where their ambitions lie, run their clubs professionally & reap the rewards. How dare City leave WHU behind!

No wonder most Hammers fans can't stand her. Just imagine if she took over from Khaldoon & her plan for City going forward was Gollum as manager & PL survival every season? That's the level she wants everyone in the PL to be at so it's "fair".

Nail on the head. For West Ham read Fulham Brighton Brentford etc etc. Mid table outfits that don’t give a fig about anything that has gone before.

Their only concern is stopping ambitious teams overtaking them. As long as they are a frozen in ambitionless mid table mediocrity lapping up the PL gravy train money with no concerns of relegation that’s all that matters to Brady and co.

Rules that ensure the promoted teams and certain to go back down is perfect for them.

They ain’t bothered about going further up the league so allow the cartel to set the rule which helps them stay mid table.

 

[Prophet of Doom]

No fan of Panja but that's a bit of a cheap shot bearing in mind @slbsn himself was saying the judgment was a score draw or a slight City win until recently.

Have to own up when you get something wrong. I do it all the time :)

The irony that Panja took time to criticise Stefan for passing comment on another lawyer, at the same time he was questioning the integrity of his peer Martin Samuel.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

Nail on the head. For West Ham read Fulham Brighton Brentford etc etc. Mid table outfits that don’t give a fig about anything that has gone before.

Their only concern is stopping ambitious teams overtaking them. As long as they are a frozen in ambitionless mid table mediocrity lapping up the PL gravy train money with no concerns of relegation that’s all that matters to Brady and co.

Rules that ensure the promoted teams and certain to go back down is perfect for them.

They ain’t bothered about going further up the league so allow the cartel to set the rule which helps them stay mid table.

This would appear to be the logical explantion as to why they vote with the cartel .

Accepting their limitations whilst enjoying the financial benefits being in the PL brings.

 

[Stoned Rose]

Nail on the head. For West Ham read Fulham Brighton Brentford etc etc. Mid table outfits that don’t give a fig about anything that has gone before.

Their only concern is stopping ambitious teams overtaking them. As long as they are a frozen in ambitionless mid table mediocrity lapping up the PL gravy train money with no concerns of relegation that’s all that matters to Brady and co.

Rules that ensure the promoted teams and certain to go back down is perfect for them.

They ain’t bothered about going further up the league so allow the cartel to set the rule which helps them stay mid table.

 

[East Level 2]

Lobbying is ok, provided the regulator has no skin in the game.

But any potential regulator would need experience of football at the highest level and is therefore likely to have skin in the game.

 

[jrb]

City are paying more than you have calculated
From a Foi request

The following table details the basic rent paid by MCFC for the most recent financial year, Apr 14 – Mar 15.

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On the 250 year rental income, previous years have been less, and have been negotiated up, if that rental figure remained the same over the remainder of the 250 year rental income, that would be over £1bill the council gets off City. Maybe there will come a point in the future when the club decides it’s want to by the stadium for substantially less than £1bill it will have to pay out in rent to the council?

 

[Matt Diablo]

Maybe they're going to vote with us to have soft loans interest bearing but only from the vote date....get it in under the wire and all that?

Well they gave evidence in our favour so makes sense

 

[KS55]

But any potential regulator would need experience of football at the highest level and is therefore likely to have skin in the game.

That’s a bit like saying a magistrate cannot try a motoring case if he’s a driver or a ref can’t be neutral if he played the game.
You have to draw the line somewhere on what constitutes bias. The courts or arbitration is the backstop.
You can bet your life that City will lobby the new regulator when the time comes.

 

[Paladin]

What are Chelsea up to? In some ways you have to admire Chelsea…they do stuff that we can’t understand and yet somehow it seems to work.

It's ok. They'll be able to claim back £40m for the arrangement fees.

 

[PPT]

On the 250 year rental income, previous years have been less, and have been negotiated up, if that rental figure remained the same over the remainder of the 250 year rental income, that would be over £1bill the council gets off City. Maybe there will come a point in the future when the club decides it’s want to by the stadium for substantially less than £1bill it will have to pay out in rent to the council?

Yep. When all the planning permissions and permits we need to build and expand have been approved.

 

[slbsn]

No fan of Panja but that's a bit of a cheap shot bearing in mind @slbsn himself was saying the judgment was a score draw or a slight City win until recently.

Have to own up when you get something wrong. I do it all the time :)

My view hasn't changed at all. It is best illustrated by my view on costs - as I explained yesterday, I don't believe the PL will pay more than 10-20% of City's costs and it is most likely that the parties agree to pay their own costs.

You've missed the point on Panja. Panja promoted Leaf's original view as well considered when it was an immediate reaction. When I pointed that out, Panja tried to make out I was discrediting Leaf's position which I was not. I was merely pointing out it was limited because he couldn't have read it. Now Leaf has seemingly considered things and appears to say things are consequential, Panja should promote that view as equally as the provisional view.

I don't agree with either of Leaf's view myself. I believe the shareholder loan stuff is largely irrelevant, that APT is not null and void, that even if it is the teams will pass a replacement in line with the original APT (now found to be lawful) and that the key finding is that you can put the all the 2024 changes in the bin as unlawful (as City warned the PL and clubs in October 2021).

 

[manimanc]

"We must stop team's spending what they like to get an unbeatable team and create an uncompetitive league"

In the context, it's obviously aimed at City and curbing our spending power

In the meantime utd, Arsenal, Liverpool and chelsea spend more than us but don't challenge for anything.
These teams waste more time and energy trying to drag our name through shit and accusing us of wrongdoings, maybe if they put the same energy onto the pitch they might surprise themselves and others.

 

[halfcenturyup]

My view hasn't changed at all. It is best illustrated by my view on costs - as I explained yesterday, I don't believe the PL will pay more than 10-20% of City's costs and it is most likely that the parties agree to pay their own costs.

You've missed the point on Panja. Panja promoted Leaf's original view as well considered when it was an immediate reaction. When I pointed that out, Panja tried to make out I was discrediting Leaf's position which I was not. I was merely pointing out it was limited because he couldn't have read it. Now Leaf has seemingly considered things and appears to say things are consequential, Panja should promote that view as equally as the provisional view.

I don't agree with either of Leaf's view myself. I believe the shareholder loan stuff is largely irrelevant, that APT is not null and void, that even if it is the teams will pass a replacement in line with the original APT (now found to be lawful) and that the key finding is that you can put the all the 2024 changes in the bin as unlawful (as City warned the PL and clubs in October 2021).

Fair enough, we will see in the next couple of weeks, I suppose.

Just thought lawyers engaging with journalists about legal cases was punching down, which is something I'm not keen on.

Anyway, you can punch me on legal matters as much as you want, and frequently do :) but keep it up, I will always be grateful to you, @petrusha and @Chris in London for educating me about law and sports law over the last eighteen months much more than I had ever thought I would have needed. It has all certainly helped me shape positions on these cases that I am comfortable with.

And probably wrong about :)