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TinFoilHat said:
Yanks could vote Trump in and 'balance it' with the Dems having both houses. Which will make it worse as he will use executive orders to take out every political opponent to take control of both using his newly appointed immunity.
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It's difficult to see any Trump voter thinking that way. I can see some being to stupid to vote for anything other than potus on the basis they just dont understand how it all works. But even then not enough to be more than 5% of the vote.
 
grunge said:
I really am totally dumbfounded as to why this is even a race at this point.
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'Murica.

The electorate have the choice of a fascist or another democrat who's about as radical as a cabbage. Neither are really appealing to your average Jane/Joe.

Trump, Bannon, Musk have poisoned the political system to the point it's on the verge of being put on life support.
 
Gareth Barry Conlon said:
Yeah.

Some things don't add up. Like Arizona.

Biden won Arizona with 49.4% to 49.1%. Super close.

Kari Lake tried for Govenor in 2022 she got 49% of the vote with a hardcore Trump/maga offer but lost.

Shes now going for Arizona Senate seat. She's down 6 to 8 points depending on polls. So looking like a straight forward defeat. Both her and the dem are not incumbent so this is a straight up race between a dem and a Trumpy gop candidate. And you would expect anyone voting Trump there to also vote for Lake, she's all over fox and the same maga media as Trump.

The polling for potus is a dead heat Harris/ Trump.

Makes zero sense. How are the same voters not 100% aligned on the Senate seat as potus.
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Not to mention the abortion initiative on the ballot which is likely to drive blue turnout . . .
 
TinFoilHat said:
'Murica.

The electorate have the choice of a fascist or another democrat who's about as radical as a cabbage. Neither are really appealing to your average Jane/Joe.

Trump, Bannon, Musk have poisoned the political system to the point it's on the verge of being put on life support.
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If you are interested on the rise and fall of fascism in the USA, Rachael Maddow (of MSNBC) did a podcast series called 'Ultra'. It's well worth a listen. How the US came perilously close to aligning with the Nazi's after WWII is a shocking story.
 
TinFoilHat said:
Yanks could vote Trump in and 'balance it' with the Dems having both houses. Which will make it worse as he will use executive orders to take out every political opponent to take control of both using his newly appointed immunity.
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The last forecast I saw had Harris losing the Senate due to the profile of the seats up for re-election.
 
TinFoilHat said:
'Murica.

The electorate have the choice of a fascist or another democrat who's about as radical as a cabbage. Neither are really appealing to your average Jane/Joe.

Trump, Bannon, Musk have poisoned the political system to the point it's on the verge of being put on life support.
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It’s weird because I know so many Brits who think Trump is great and wish he was over there
 
idahoblues said:
It’s weird because I know so many Brits who think Trump is great and wish he was over there
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I am curious—and am genuinely asking this, as the answer may very well surprise me—but how many of those you know that wish Trump was a politician standing for office in the UK voted for and/or still support Brexit?
 
SebastianBlue said:
I am curious—and am genuinely asking this, as the answer may very well surprise me—but how many of those you know that wish Trump was a politician standing for office in the UK voted for and/or still support Brexit?
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Good question.

Id say I know 2 trump supporters in the UK. 1 absolutely is a die hard Brexiteer
 
SebastianBlue said:
I am curious—and am genuinely asking this, as the answer may very well surprise me—but how many of those you know that wish Trump was a politician standing for office in the UK voted for and/or still support Brexit?
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We should all support Brexit, it’s gov policy, and the only one we’ll likely have in the foreseeable future. That ship has sailed.
 
SebastianBlue said:
I am curious—and am genuinely asking this, as the answer may very well surprise me—but how many of those you know that wish Trump was a politician standing for office in the UK voted for and/or still support Brexit?
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The same cunts who thinks Nigel Führage can save the country from the millions coming over on a Walmart dinghy from France.
 
KS55 said:
I’ve added to my post. What trade policy do you support?
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I fully support us rejoining the EU and the single market. I voted Lib Dem as they are the only ones even close to looking at it.

The ship may have sailed but im one person trying to redirect us back.

I am yet to see a single benefit Brexit has bought us. We absolutely could have broken the mold with things like AI but we havn't.
 
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grunge said:
Good question.

Id say I know 2 trump supporters in the UK. 1 absolutely is a die hard Brexiteer
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idahoblues said:
Probably all of them
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Cheers, that has been my experience, as well.

Obviously this is just anecdotal, but in my experience there seems to be a strong overlap between those that believe Trump’s dangerously simplistic, wholly empty promises and rampant falsehoods and those that believed/believe the Leave campaign’s dangerously simplistic, wholly empty promises and rampant falsehoods. I think I have seen research that supports this, as well, but I cannot recall exactly where, so I cannot assert that with absolute confidence.

I can say with absolute confidence that the 2016 Trump campaign and the Brexit campaigns shared many of the same backers and organisations coordinating them, though.

KS55 said:
We should all support Brexit, it’s gov policy, and the only one we’ll likely have in the foreseeable future. That ship has sailed.
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When I say support Brexit, I mean people that still believe the claims of the benefits from Brexit the Leave campaign (and adjacent entities) made, even in the face of continually mounting evidence exposing those claims as highly exaggerated or outright false.

We can of course now try to make the best of a truly idiotic and disasterous decision, but that doesn’t mean we have to ignore that it was based on mostly empty promises and false claims (many of which were known to be empty and false by those making the claims before the vote, and certainly by educated, knowledgable parties). In that way it is very similar to Trump’s first term—he was voted in, but it doesn’t mean everyone had to just forget how he got there or support what he was doing once he was in office.

Anyway, I wasn’t trying to derail the thread with Brexit talk—we have a thread for that. I was just trying to parse the overlap between the Trump and Brexit supporter blocs based on others’ experiences, given the context of @idahoblues post.
 
grunge said:
Good question.

Id say I know 2 trump supporters in the UK. 1 absolutely is a die hard Brexiteer
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What is the actual point of being a trump supporter in the UK (or a Harris one for that matter I suppose)?
I find myself 'siding' with Harris because I think her approach to the middle east is likely to be more temperate in terms of support for Israel than trump - therefore less likely to have a gulf oil crisis and the ensuing global economic shock. In general terms though I find the us election interesting as a spectacle but whoever wins won't make a difference to my life in the UK
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
What is the actual point of being a trump supporter in the UK (or a Harris one for that matter I suppose)?
I find myself 'siding' with Harris because I think her approach to the middle east is likely to be more temperate in terms of support for Israel than trump - therefore less likely to have a gulf oil crisis and the ensuing global economic shock. In general terms though I find the us election interesting as a spectacle but whoever wins won't make a difference to my life in the UK
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Your guess is good as mine. but they both think he's some sort of rockstar politician fighting the establishment and can do no wrong. One of them is even buying MAGA merchandise.
 
I think it’s too close to call at the moment. A week is a long time in politics though, so I wouldn’t be surprised if the polls changed again.
 
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