President Trump

SWP's back said:
He can only do one thing which is win the presidency.

Which he will not do. The senate is the most likely one given which seats are up for a vote in 2024. If he wins the popular vote, I’ll personally send you £1k and then quit the forum. It’s just not going to happen.

Can you give us a break on the daily erroneous odds please.
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Just missing the daily reminder that young voters will now boycott voting the dems due to Israel.
 
Scottyboi said:
Just missing the daily reminder that young voters will now boycott voting the dems due to Israel.
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The only bonus of an unlikely Trump victory would be seeing Israel turn Palestine into a car park and seeing all the “young voters” deal with the consequences of their own actions.
 
SWP's back said:
So based on what Trump said and then what the speaker said, you think people asking questions about that is paranoid.

You’re both siding this to the n-th degree aren’t you.
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I suppose I'm not siding it if anything. I've not actually heard trumps latest but yes, I'm aware he's laying the ground for another 'stolen election' if he loses.
 
moomba said:
If he loses he'll still have a core of supporters in the Senate and congress, but loads will be trying to distance themselves from him.
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Agreed, if he loses again, he’d be 82 by 2026 and having lost two in a row and all three on the popular vote. He’d surely then be too toxic for the GoP and they’d look to marginalise him. Either that or the majority of them are just hoping he dies of natural causes before the next election.
 
SWP's back said:
No it’s worse than that. He’s insinuating that he and Johnson have a secret weapon to ensure he gets the result he wants. His words.

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Certainly irresponsible if bollocks and even more worrying if true. The weird thing is this appears to be him casting him winning as a fix/ conspiracy which I think is new?
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Certainly irresponsible if bollocks and even more worrying if true. The weird thing is this appears to be him casting him winning as a fix/ conspiracy which I think is new?
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It’s a very weird to say in any way, shape or form you’re right but not the first time he’s alluded to a secret to help them. He did it a few months back and then rolled it back.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Certainly irresponsible if bollocks and even more worrying if true. The weird thing is this appears to be him casting him winning as a fix/ conspiracy which I think is new?
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You appear to attributing a level of sanity and reason to his utterances for some bizarre reason.
 
SWP's back said:
Agreed, if he loses again, he’d be 82 by 2026 and having lost two in a row and all three on the popular vote. He’d surely then be too toxic for the GoP and they’d look to marginalise him. Either that or the majority of them are just hoping he dies of natural causes before the next election.
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If he loses, he gets locked up at the end of November for his 34 felonies and then there will be regular trips to court to face his other charges. If he loses, he’s done.
 
The blue phantom said:
Trump is now strong favourite in all the categories bar One and closing in on the Popular Vote. Remarkable tbh.

Could he really do a clean sweep?

To be President.........1/2
Control of Senate......1/6
Control of House.......4/5
Popular Vote..............13/8
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You should consider who is putting large bets on the orange liar.
 
hcblue95 said:
You said it'd be a bonus to see Palestine flattened?
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He didn't - he said that there would be the benefit of seeing the young voters who didn't vote for Harris have to deal with the outcome of Israel/Gaza under Netanyahu/Trump.

It's pretty clear that Trump isn't going to stop Netanyahu's destructive actions.
 
Elbow beards said:
What is it with Americans and socialism, as if it's the worst thing in the world? Some of the best countries to live in are socialist ones, Scandinavians always seem to come out top on various poles about quality of life and happiness.
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The extreme aversion to socialism in a large portion of the America electorate is due to many factors, many of them deeply engrained cultural beliefs (many contradictory to reality) of self-reliance and the powers of the free market, but one of the most prominent outside of those is the legacy of the “Red Scare” and McCarthyism, even though communism is different to socialism.

And that is deeply ironic, given how MAGA, supposedly the “anti-Marxist, free market capitalist” side, has cosied up to dictatorships that are anything but those things.

It is also worth noting that Trump and co constantly referring to Harris as an “EXTREME MARXIST” is not because they actually believe that (they know she isn’t). It is a very intentional tactic to attempt to muddy the ideological waters and make it seem equally irrational (to ignorant, unsophisticated, or indifferent observers) to call him and MAGA fascist.

It is a very common tactic employed by fascists. And, although it is incredibly transparent to students of history, it unfortunately works for his fan base. And those backing him that are educated and sophisticated enough to know that is what he is doing (and why) are perfectly happy to parrot it for their own aims (primarily, and again ironically, to partake in the free for all of government money and favours that would flow to sycophants after Trump regains power).

It’s also worth nothing that many Americans don’t even know what socialism is, largely due to poor education (or miseducation). Many of them are the first to scream and shout about progressive policies that are “socialism run amok and will destroy America”, whilst in the very same breath threatening to rise up en mass and hang anyone trying to cut Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid.
 
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