Electric Car Charging

[pirate]

Seriously? Upkeep of a parking space? Lol ....massive difference to paying towards 6/8/10 or more cars being charged constantly.

they would help pay for the infastructure not the charging.
why do you think they would be paying for the electricity?

 

[Blue Mist]

Until the government/local authority sort the Dukinfield issue out there is no point in having a discussion about 2035.


Oh and anybody else now getting an advert telling me a company can sort out my e.v. fleet vehicles ?
Or asking if I want to test drive a e.v. Mini. ?

 

[Blackley_Blue]

Regularly drive past a car being charged in Middleton where the owner runs the cable through one of these on the pavement... If I go and "trip" over it can I get a bit of compo?

 

[inbetween]

I have an MG ZS EV long range 273 miles. It is an indulgence as I probably won’t be driving for too many more years. It is good to drive, though my wife drives it mostly. The recommendation is to charge to 80% for everyday use for better battery life. So normally charge to about 220 miles range and recharge at about 40-50% charge so at about 130 - 140 miles remaing range. Charge overnight for 4 hours at 8.5p per kWh which represents about 2.2p per mile and normally charges back to 80%. For long journeys (about twice a year) charge to 100% at home then top up to ~ 90% every couple of hours when we are normally ready for a coffee / loo stop. Much more expensive to charge, normally about 20p per mile and takes about 30 to 45 mins to top up but allows for coffee and cake. Motorway range about 20% less than every day range. So wouldn’t go electric if i did a lot of distance driving but for local driving of about 25 miles a day it is good. Mileage lower in winter, probably by about 25%, not a problem for local driving.

Same experience here with my Tesla, longer journeys (150 miles +) require more planning but over 2 years I've never really had an issue. I once had a bit of range anxiety coming back from Birmingham on around 30% but I just had to change the journey a little to stop somewhere, the car just tells you what to do anyway.

The downside I see is if a home charger can't be fitted or if somebody is indeed doing 300 miles per day as most of the anti-EV population seem to claim. But then you're likely to be paying at least £100+ a week in diesel/petrol where I'd be more interested in cost than range so the EV still wins.

 

[crublue1]

Is there a possibility that we could have some sort of retractable cable that comes from the top of lamp posts, a bit like those hose reels for watering gardens, but obviously on a motor that retracts and extends it.
Or standardise the battery and make it removable, so instead of charging it, just swap it at a swap station.
Just a couple of thoughts

 

[Blue Mist]

Regularly drive past a car being charged in Middleton where the owner runs the cable through one of these on the pavement... If I go and "trip" over it can I get a bit of compo?

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Are you a scouser is the answer.

But in theory yes and that is why the council have cold feet. If the bloke on page 1 had just done exactly that, he'd be liable.
By seeking permission the council are so they are bound to say no.

 

[Blue Mist]

Is there a possibility that we could have some sort of retractable cable that comes from the top of lamp posts, a bit like those hose reels for watering gardens, but obviously on a motor that retracts and extends it.
Or standardise the battery and make it removable, so instead of charging it, just swap it at a swap station.
Just a couple of thoughts

A battery in an EV is the length of the car so no.
Re a lamppost. Who would pay for all the work to adapt current lampposts?
What happens when the lamppost is 3 houses away ?

 

[crublue1]

Length, as you well know, has very little to do with it....joking apart, I don't see why this wouldn't work really. But I'm just thinking out loud.
I'm not sure who would pay to convert lamp posts, but whoever did, could then charge the end user accordingly. And you could have multiple outlets for each post?
Like I said, just thinking out loud misty

 

[DiscoSteve]

Like most things in life, your ability to take advantage of them is often linked to your ability to pay - sorry its the way of the (western) world. EV's do attract a premium price wise at the moment, which will eventually even out and become less of an issue in the 2nd Hand Market. But having the ability to home charge an EV is directly linked to your ability to own a property with off-road parking. But having the ability to own any car is linked to the capability to park outside your own property - unless you're a twat and don't care and dump it outside someone elses property. Plenty in houses round me fall into the twat category. And for the record, I am an EV owner (not a twat... much...), I do have a charger on the front of my house within reach of the spot I park in

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Like most things in life, your ability to take advantage of them is often linked to your ability to pay - sorry its the way of the (western) world. EV's do attract a premium price wise at the moment, which will eventually even out and become less of an issue in the 2nd Hand Market. But having the ability to home charge an EV is directly linked to your ability to own a property with off-road parking. But having the ability to own any car is linked to the capability to park outside your own property - unless you're a twat and don't care and dump it outside someone elses property. Plenty in houses round me fall into the twat category. And for the record, I am an EV owner (not a twat... much...), I do have a charger on the front of my house within reach of the spot I park in

I seriously doubt you are not at least a bit of a twat. However your point about cost of EVs is a good one. We need the 21st century equivalent of the ford model t to put them within the range of average earners.

 

[Blue Mist]

Like most things in life, your ability to take advantage of them is often linked to your ability to pay - sorry its the way of the (western) world. EV's do attract a premium price wise at the moment, which will eventually even out and become less of an issue in the 2nd Hand Market. But having the ability to home charge an EV is directly linked to your ability to own a property with off-road parking. But having the ability to own any car is linked to the capability to park outside your own property - unless you're a twat and don't care and dump it outside someone elses property. Plenty in houses round me fall into the twat category. And for the record, I am an EV owner (not a twat... much...), I do have a charger on the front of my house within reach of the spot I park in

@DiscoSteve Despite what you say, as I keep saying, terraced houses do not allow you the luxury of parking outside your own home.
I've mentioned Gorse Hill where I know from experience you had to accept that it was first come first served but there are a huge number of terraced houses throughout Manchester.
All around Maine Road, (Horton Rd/Thornton Road) Sale,
Ashton on Mersey.
Both labour and tory state 2035 as the end to petrol but neither of them have addressed the issues that will be faced. There are no plans in place to use public funds and the technology is not available.
The reason the council in the OP won't give permission is, they say, they are waiting for government guidance/rules.
Allowing an individual to own an EV is one thing, forcing a nation to do it is entirely different.

 

[southamptonblue]

they would help pay for the infastructure not the charging.
why do you think they would be paying for the electricity?

If a block of flats had exterior charging port or ports, and they were not connected to the specific flats electric, and used only by that owner, the charge goes on the maintenance charge, along with the lighting in corridors/stairwells etc.....maybe you should read my original post on it ;)

 

[pirate]

If a block of flats had exterior charging port or ports, and they were not connected to the specific flats electric, and used only by that owner, the charge goes on the maintenance charge, along with the lighting in corridors/stairwells etc.....maybe you should read my original post on it ;)

that would be a stupid set up.
why would it be set up like that? unless the management of the flats were mentally subnormal.
it would cost the same to set it up to charge to a credit / debit card with the tariff set to just cover the cost of electricity and the running costs

 

[Norbert D]

I like the idea of an EV, no smoke out the back and nice and quiet. However, the rather large elephant in the room is the price and lack of infrastructure. I also think this one size fits all doesn’t add up.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I like the idea of an EV, no smoke out the back and nice and quiet. However, the rather large elephant in the room is the price and lack of infrastructure. I also think this one size fits all doesn’t add up.

That and the magic non polluting electricity.

 

[East Level 2]

Meanwhile the Koreans are claiming 1,500 miles range and a 5 second refuel time for a hydrogen powered car. No mention of how long it would take to set up the refuelling infrastructure.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Meanwhile the Koreans are claiming 1,500 miles range and a 5 second refuel time for a hydrogen powered car. No mention of how long it would take to set up the refuelling infrastructure.

I think these might be the way ahead. I think Toyota are experimenting with something like this in Australia where the range of current EVs obviously makes them something only twats would buy.

 

[Blue Mist]

Meanwhile the Koreans are claiming 1,500 miles range and a 5 second refuel time for a hydrogen powered car. No mention of how long it would take to set up the refuelling infrastructure.

There was an English company, forget the name, but they were big into hydrogen cars/trucks. They struggled to get the refuelling infrastructure. They just supplied stay on site vehicles in the end.
It was supposed to be the way forward, the cynic in me says it was a bit like Freddie Laker with the airlines.
The major players don't want hydrogen.

 

[southamptonblue]

that would be a stupid set up.
why would it be set up like that? unless the management of the flats were mentally subnormal.
it would cost the same to set it up to charge to a credit / debit card with the tariff set to just cover the cost of electricity and the running costs

Yes it would, however Winchester Council have set up exactly that for somebody's mobility scooter, as it is cheaper....and as you well know, whatever is easiest and cheapest, will always be any councils choice ;)

 

[crublue1]

Can we not just cover the country in electrified chicken wire and have poles sticking up from our cars like a big dodgem arrangement?
Ok you might have the odd pikey hitching a free ride on the back, and he might try and finger your misses behind the candy floss stall at the services, but that's a small price to pay.