City launch legal action against the Premier League | Club & PL reach settlement | Proceedings dropped (p1147)

[Keeper!]

Think this is going to get ugly

Think?

 

[Keeper!]

I can’t say I’m bored with all this as it is interesting and City have to fight back but there are now no winners in any of this.

I used to be really worried we would be relegated if we lost 115. Don’t get me wrong I’d love to win these cases still but the difference now is that if we don’t I’m not sure I care that much anymore. We will be back anyway.

The whole thing is ridiculous.

The Premier League is destroying itself from within, bizarre and tragic at the same time.

 

[Keeper!]

So the wankers are trying yet again to install unlawful apt rules on top of unlawful apt rules declared by the tribunal which still have not given its final decision?

Well well who is surprised? The league already tried to say changing a few words would be sufficient. Now they come back again with yet another ill thought out attempt to protect a few controlling clubs.

This will go on forever, the twisting of words and the legal battles will become the new battleground season after season. Bottom feeding point scoring.

The 4 clubs who have a problem with city won’t stop until we are put in our rightful place. For them that means yo-yo up and down the league and maybe finish mid to low table in the premier, give us a pat on the head yeah! Good job city well done.

History is not the 90s but a mere fraction of time that city did not perform to previous standards. All clubs go through ups and down, good owners to bad.

What we have now is a relentless attack borne out of greed, jealousy, fear and prejudice.

The club has to stand up to bullies. No more shall we bend the knee.

This fight is long from finished.

 

[jaseisblue]

The four cheeks of the same huge sagging arse have had their fingers in the prem pie since the get go. It’s a wonder we ever got going let alone win stuff.
To me, until those four get told their place the prem will stink to high heaven for all eternity.

 

[KS55]

So the wankers are trying yet again to install unlawful apt rules on top of unlawful apt rules declared by the tribunal which still have not given its final decision?

Well well who is surprised? The league already tried to say changing a few words would be sufficient. Now they come back again with yet another ill thought out attempt to protect a few controlling clubs.

This will go on forever, the twisting of words and the legal battles will become the new battleground season after season. Bottom feeding point scoring.

The 4 clubs who have a problem with city won’t stop until we are put in our rightful place. For them that means yo-yo up and down the league and maybe finish mid to low table in the premier, give us a pat on the head yeah! Good job city well done.

History is not the 90s but a mere fraction of time that city did not perform to previous standards. All clubs go through ups and down, good owners to bad.

What we have now is a relentless attack borne out of greed, jealousy, fear and prejudice.

The club has to stand up to bullies. No more shall we bend the knee.

This fight is long from finished.

LADEE…EEES AND GENTLEMEN……
We now come to the main bout of the evening for the title ‘Lords of All we Survey.’
In the red corner: Arses, Dippers, and rags with their seconds Trottingham Hospers, representing the Premier League and their Dick.
In the blue corner: The Champions, Manchester City, the greatest team in all the land.
The title will be decided over 115 rounds under the APT Rules with two fails or an unlawful verdict to finish the match.
This is a fight to the death.
DING DING. Game on.

 

[KS55]

We bent over backwards to try and appease everybody and be accepted. Taking a pinch as Khaldoon said, rebuilding east Manchester, playing great football, appointing arguably the best and most likeable coach in world football. All to no avail. Our problem was we just kept on winning. We dropped enough hints that if they didn't stop we'd fight back and take it to the bitter end. That's where we're at now. They wanted a fucking war they've got one.

“Our problem was we just kept winning.”
Perfection in six words.

 

[cheekybids]

Guess the PL have tried to implement the same rules, just called them SPR instead of PSR.

The PL needs some better lawyers.

What are the chances that you could find a few shit corrupt lawyers & CEO mixed up in a multi billion pound business conspiring against innocent hard working people….

It seems the premier league hasn’t learnt from the Post Office mistakes.

 

[cheekybids]

They have very good lawyers.

The PL just keep ignoring them.

To me this is the crux of the matter. The red shirts not the lawyers are running the show.
Lawyers is such a yank term, Solicitors/Barristers can advise the PL, the PL do not and have not listened to them.
That's why they are in this mess

The fact they changed the ATP wording against the lawyers advice makes me think they may have made their own determination on which rules were broken & got them wrong. I couldn’t believe a lawyer would make that mistake.

 

[cheekybids]

It's worse than that. Despite legal advice they are appealing the Leicester ruling. They are wasting money on an appeal their own legal team have said they won't win.
It's strange how little publicity has been given to this. ( no it isnt)
It isn't just the red shirts calling the shots, it is a group of people, officially called the Premier League refusing to accept they are wrong.
It's like a Gentleman's Club refusing to accept women as members. The law says it is wrong but the club do not accept they have to abide by laws not made by themselves.

Is it possible they’ll stop the appeal after the City case so it’s considered “ongoing” & can’t be considered another example their interpretation of the rules are wrong.

 

[surprisedbygrass]

In the court of public opinion as driven by the red media we already lost all these issues even if totally exonerated. This ticks me off no end.

Unfortunately true. It has to be done but we need to get back to football.

None of this is about football, the game we all love . It's about image, money and a cartel ..

I'm wondering now if the 115 decision has gone badly for the PL so this is their second strand way of making sure City is seen as the Bad Guy for years by engaging in legal action .

Then Sky and all the pundits can shake their heads and talk about the good old days when it was all so happy and the redshirts won every year . Life was so much simpler , football was better and City were the class clown and knew their place .

I know it's two separate cases but the aim is to make City look bad, looks damaged , wreck our global brand and hope the owners, manager , players throw in the towel .

It's a trial by media and only going to get worse.

Well . They called us Noisy Neighbours and now we're their worst nightmare .All this stuff , the 115 and this pushback is their equivalent of an ASBO .

 

[cheekybids]

"New PL rules include a retrospective exemption for shareholder loans for the period from December 2021 until the new rules come into effect".

So ... let me get this straight.

PL create rules that ignore shareholder loans.

Tribunal finds that ignoring loans is not legal.

PL create new rules that still ignore shareholder loans. Just not any new ones.

Are they for fooking real?

This is blatant disregard for the ruling of the independent tribunal. And yet once again it will be City who are portrayed as the evil corporation attacking the blameless little PL cartel.

Makes me fooking sick.

I would imagine City will be saying to those clubs who have shareholder loans it will go against them once the panel explains their judgement.

 

[1961_vintage]

I know it's two separate cases but the aim is to make City look bad, looks damaged , wreck our global brand and hope the owners, manager , players throw in the towel .

Strategically this has been the goal from the outset.

They had a working assumption that the ADUG investment in City was all (and only) about establishing a PR/marketing vehicle for promoting the UAE.

Running this sustained and systematic campaign to destroy City's reputation is meant to counter that ambition, in the hope that Sheikh Mansour would then simply walk away and the threat to the cartel would be neutralised.

This is what we are dealing with.

 

[waspish]

"New PL rules include a retrospective exemption for shareholder loans for the period from December 2021 until the new rules come into effect".

So ... let me get this straight.

PL create rules that ignore shareholder loans.

Tribunal finds that ignoring loans is not legal.

PL create new rules that still ignore shareholder loans. Just not any new ones.

Are they for fooking real?

This is blatant disregard for the ruling of the independent tribunal. And yet once again it will be City who are portrayed as the evil corporation attacking the blameless little PL cartel.

Makes me fooking sick.

Correct!

This is all just to stop sponsors to us Newcastle or any other new upstart club getting any advantage over the cartel! It was ok for those clubs to take it in for 30+ years though with no rules! Also the American owners with there hedge funds want a big as a return as possible!

Uefa have rules in place where you can't have a ridiculous sponsor anyway so why the cartel are going further down this road is baffling

 

[Bez]

The APT issue was handed to an independent panel to arbitrate in order to resolve the dispute. Instead, following their initial findings, there were still loose ends that needed closure. As a result, City and the PL are still at loggerheads. I thought the panel were going to provide further clarity. Instead, we get an ongoing shitshow played out in front of the media. I'm not a lawyer, but the tribunal have not really helped to resolve the dispute at all. It looks like a shambles to me.

 

[cheekybids]

The APT issue was handed to an independent panel to arbitrate in order to resolve the dispute. Instead, following their initial findings, there were still loose ends that needed closure. As a result, City and the PL are still at loggerheads. I thought the panel were going to provide further clarity. Instead, we get an ongoing shitshow played out in front of the media. I'm not a lawyer, but the tribunal have not really helped to resolve the dispute at all. It looks like a shambles to me.

The premier have decided that they don’t need to wait.

 

[Bez]

The premier have decided that they don’t need to wait.

Agreed the PL are being dickheads, but the tribunal should be trying to resolve the dispute. Maybe they are...who knows, but it is a shitshow for both sides.

 

[Bluewonder]

Strategically this has been the goal from the outset.

They had a working assumption that the ADUG investment in City was all (and only) about establishing a PR/marketing vehicle for promoting the UAE.

Running this sustained and systematic campaign to destroy City's reputation is meant to counter that ambition, in the hope that Sheikh Mansour would then simply walk away and the threat to the cartel would be neutralised.

This is what we are dealing with.

Mansour loves the club and intends to hand it down to one of his sons at some point in the future.


He's going nowhere.

 

[KS55]

The APT issue was handed to an independent panel to arbitrate in order to resolve the dispute. Instead, following their initial findings, there were still loose ends that needed closure. As a result, City and the PL are still at loggerheads. I thought the panel were going to provide further clarity. Instead, we get an ongoing shitshow played out in front of the media. I'm not a lawyer, but the tribunal have not really helped to resolve the dispute at all. It looks like a shambles to me.

The parties are supposed to go back to the panel with proposals. The PL agreed to do this originally but have backed out.

 

[SSBlue]

Not sure I get this issue with the new shareholder loan rule not being applied retrospectively.

We are only talking about the APT rules here.

The club's position is that the current rules are null and void, and so they shouldn't have been applied to any 2021-2024 transactions at all.

The PL's position is that the new rules solve the unlawfulness, but that they should only be applied going forward, leaving a period 2021-2024 in which the rules unlawfully excluded shareholder loans. And the club's position is that, following the PL's position, the new rules should be applied backwards to 2021-2024 transactions to correct the unlawfulness. But they can't because it's an ex-ante review and so impossible. Which is why they are null and void in the first place.

Is that it?

There is a much bigger problem for the PL in the treatment of shareholder loans for FFP/PSR back to 2013 , of course, but that isn't relevant here, is it, as the judgment, other than by implication, didn't conclude on that?

If Shareholder Loans from 2021 to 2024 are exempt from APT, then I'm reading that as millions of pounds of market-rate interest payments can be ignored.

In any case I'm amazed that the PL would double-down on that aspect after it was specifically ruled unlawful.

But agree with you that City's legal response might be that any attempt to change the rules is unlawful in principle.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

If Shareholder Loans from 2021 to 2024 are exempt from APT, then I'm reading that as millions of pounds of market-rate interest payments can be ignored.

In any case I'm amazed that the PL would double-down on that aspect after it was specifically ruled unlawful.

But agree with you that City's legal response might be that any attempt to change the rules is unlawful in principle.

Driven by stupidity, arrogance and pressure from the cabal in order to protect their financial position and control of the running of things.