Irish travellers rounded up in Manchester.

[East Level 2]

Why do you tag people when you quote their posts?

You know they get an alert, either way?

He's worried you'll reject the stuck down envelope and that made him think you might also reject the alert when he quotes your post. - Can't always trust the Royal Mail at Christmas.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

No I didn't! Ages ago Ric told me to do it.

So can I use an envelope

Don’t you mean @Ric ?

Yes, you can use an envelope.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

He's worried you'll reject the stuck down envelope and that made him think you might also reject the alert when he quotes your post. - Can't always trust the Royal Mail at Christmas.

Have now accepted the use of an envelope. I’m a big tent guy.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

So a bunch of innocent children aren’t allowed to have a day out nowadays
I say ‘innocent’ because as far as I’m aware these children haven’t committed any crimes apart from the crime of being travellers (or suspected) ?
So it’s ok for the police to manhandle young girls and force them onto a train? Wow
The same people supporting this totalitarian behaviour will be the same people who won’t allow this post to stay around for long like my previous post
Very very sad day for human beings and freedom

You appear to have a very limited understanding of the situation.

 

[City Hobgoblin]

Won't anyone think of the organised gangs of feral shoplifting children ?!

 

[Blue Mist]

Have now accepted the use of an envelope. I’m a big tent guy.

Is that just a saying or what you wear?


Just askin'

 

[Kippaxpete]

Just a question as I know you've not phrased it as such (maybe @bert38 can answer), but when it comes to a 'protected class' which law supersedes which when it comes to racial discrimination and potential criminal and/ or antisocial behaviour?

It seems pretty obvious to me, but maybe the law makes this a very thin line to work with?

It's a little more complex than simply determining whether one piece of legislation supersedes another. In short, the Equality Act 2010 does not provide immunity from prosecution for criminal behavior. If an individual is suspected of committing a crime, they can be prosecuted regardless of their protected characteristic (in this case, race). For example, if someone with a protected characteristic commits theft or assault, they can be prosecuted like anyone else.
While the Equality Act protects against discrimination, it does not prevent lawful prosecution. Where it becomes difficult for the police and the judiciary is when arrest or prosecution is challenged as being predicated on discriminatory motives. While I'm not privy to the details of this case, I'd like to think the police acted on prior intelligence about the motives of the group in question and were, therefore, confident that their actions were not liable to be challenged as discriminatory under the EA 2010.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Is that just a saying or what you wear?


Just askin'

Both

 

[Kippaxpete]

tbf, you have identified the legal difference with aplomb! It was a philosophical question, but I didn’t specify as such!

Thanks matey. I acknowledge you were coming at the issue from a different angle but thought it useful to offer a legal perspective to help place some of the more extreme views in that context.

 

[Fat Chance]

The copper at the very start of the video said a nasty assault had occured.

 

[blueish swede]

There are many things amiss with British society, but surely true celebrity is the one thing that transcends class.

 

[kippaxwarrior]

A few years ago when I was working in The Arndale the centre was "rushed" by a huge group of travellers (both kids AND adults) it was absolutely chaos for about 20 mins until the police got it under control. Apparently the travellers know exactly which shops to hit.

The police must of got a tip off or information that was about to happen yesterday and in my eyes had every right to put in a dispersal order

 

[ali benarbia's studs]

If they go in small groups it's fine.....but groups of 20 plus is a gang....if their is a previous history of rushing shops then I see no wrong.

 

[threespires]

No idea based on what I've seen or head whether this was a proportionate response to a specific threat, so I thought I'd have a look online to try and understand the background better. Couldn't find much clear or compelling information out there either way.

Turns out there's a C4 documentary on tonight about organised shoplifting gangs, might provide some insight into who is or isn't behind what seems to be a bit of an epidemic.

 

[kippaxwarrior]

No idea based on what I've seen or head whether this was a proportionate response to a specific threat, so I thought I'd have a look online to try and understand the background better. Couldn't find much clear or compelling information out there either way.

Turns out there's a C4 documentary on tonight about organised shoplifting gangs, might provide some insight into who is or isn't behind what seems to be a bit of an epidemic.

I work in retail( though not in shops now) but I spent 12 years on the shop floor and let me tell you when your shop gets "rushed" it's fucking scary.

You're totally outnumbered and you don't know if confrontation will lead to violence and trust me you are not paid well enough to have a fight. These gangs of group of people are well organised and will keep hitting you if they think you're an easy target.

Now ultimately what they steal isn't yours however it does have a detrimental effect on prices as hundreds of millions of pounds are stolen every year and the knock on effect is that you the customer have to pay more. I fucking despise these people. Companies spend millions on security but it's not enough

The risk shoplifters take is worth it as very rarely if they get caught they'll probably just get a fine

 

[threespires]

I work in retail( though not in shops now) but I spent 12 years on the shop floor and let me tell you when your shop gets "rushed" it's fucking scary.

You're totally outnumbered and you don't know if confrontation will lead to violence and trust me you are not paid well enough to have a fight. These gangs of group of people are well organised and will keep hitting you if they think you're an easy target.

Now ultimately what they steal isn't yours however it does have a detrimental effect on prices as hundreds of millions of pounds are stolen every year and the knock on effect is that you the customer have to pay more. I fucking despise these people. Companies spend millions on security but it's not enough

The risk shoplifters take is worth it as very rarely if they get caught they'll probably just get a fine

You have my complete sympathy, I can well believe it's very scary. There's a lot of coverage that it's a fairly 'consequence free' crime at the moment, I think the Coop said earlier in the year that 70% of people they detain they let go because the police don't rock up or something mad like that?

That's why I thought I'd watch the thing tonight as it's seems very much like organised crime and will be good to understand who is behind it and what if anything is being done about it.

 

[stonerblue]

You have my complete sympathy, I can well believe it's very scary. There's a lot of coverage that it's a fairly 'consequence free' crime at the moment, I think the Coop said earlier in the year that 70% of people they detain they let go because the police don't rock up or something mad like that?

That's why I thought I'd watch the thing tonight as it's seems very much like organised crime and will be good to understand who is behind it and what if anything is being done about it.

There was an organised shop lifting gang in Manchester in the 80's.
I forget the name of the guy that ran it but the stuff they got was all high end. They used to stash their bounty in the bowels of the Arndale.

 

[Fat Chance]

There was a mob in clapham steaming supermarkets in fancy dress sparking male & female management and fiming it for insta likes...from memory they travelled a good distance and advertised the caper..another mob was cycling around supermarkets on mtb's

Covid aint mankinds big threat...narcissism is.

 

[Bigga]

It's a little more complex than simply determining whether one piece of legislation supersedes another. In short, the Equality Act 2010 does not provide immunity from prosecution for criminal behavior. If an individual is suspected of committing a crime, they can be prosecuted regardless of their protected characteristic (in this case, race). For example, if someone with a protected characteristic commits theft or assault, they can be prosecuted like anyone else.
While the Equality Act protects against discrimination, it does not prevent lawful prosecution. Where it becomes difficult for the police and the judiciary is when arrest or prosecution is challenged as being predicated on discriminatory motives. While I'm not privy to the details of this case, I'd like to think the police acted on prior intelligence about the motives of the group in question and were, therefore, confident that their actions were not liable to be challenged as discriminatory under the EA 2010.

I,certainly, agree with the outcome of this situation, but it does leave this action open to a lawsuit.

It's determining on an outcome before it's happened. Personally, I think based on past activities, it was the right call, but would a court support the police on 'future crime' when the future hasn't happened.

I guess being judged on "probability" isn't the best way to go but, for me, correct in this situation.

Makes me think of "The Minority Report" and how far things can go.

 

[mexico1970]

I,certainly, agree with the outcome of this situation, but it does leave this action open to a lawsuit.

It's determining on an outcome before it's happened. Personally, I think based on past activities, it was the right call, but would a court support the police on 'future crime' when the future hasn't happened.

I guess being judged on "probability" isn't the best way to go but, for me, correct in this situation.

Makes me think of "The Minority Report" and how far things can go.

When you finally get to the stage where you have a society that in the main follows laws and doesn't get involved in bother it leaves the feral in society to do what they want, we're that stupid as a society we give the feral special dispensation to be cunts by giving them extra protection under the law.

Sometimes the police get it wrong in this instance they might be legally wrong (I don't know) but for me they did the right thing. It's about time the lawmakers in this country started trying to make the country safer by stopping aiding and abetting cunts because of some misguided hand wringing fallacy that they are somehow persecuted.