Assisted dying

[metalblue]

We need both

Agreed. No issue with that at all. This bill isn’t it.

 

[drthingy]

I can guarantee that doesn’t happen mate.

What many people fail to understand is pain killers are addictive hence they are given sparingly. Come end of life no medical professional is considering the risks of you becoming addicted so you’ve got a whole cupboard of options to find relief from.

They’ll give you as much as you need of whatever you need.

I agree addiction fears doesn’t come into it with end of life care, but there are significant side effects when used and a definite career ending fear of being accused of (and I don’t like this term) bumping someone off with excessive painkillers.

I wouldn’t want to be the medic ending the life but would want to have the option if I was a patient given some of the deaths I have seen.

I understand the fears of a slippery slope but that is where the legislation needs to be strong.

I hope they vote the way I want but understand the concerns raised. We will find out in a few minutes.

 

[metalblue]

We don’t know how to do palliative care well enough.
Pain cannot always be managed away.

Disagree completely with that mate.

 

[drthingy]

And it’s a disgrace most hospices and their medical teams are funded by charity.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Agreed. No issue with that at all. This bill isn’t it.

This is why I wrote the other day that it needs layering.

Firstly, find out if there is enough support to believe that AD should be an option.

If that passes, then start debating the contexts.

If this fails today, it’ll no doubt be kicked into the long grass again.

 

[johnny crossan]

Bill voted in.

 

[mosssideblue]

Agreed. No issue with that at all. This bill isn’t it.

We will not agree on this bill but I’m certainly not going to fall out with any blue over it.

As much as I want to see the bill pass, I don’t think the MPs will pass it

 

[johnny crossan]

We will not agree on this bill but I’m certainly not going to fall out with any blue over it.

As much as I want to see the bill pass, I don’t think the MPs will pass it

We'll see what happens at the next stage - it has been passed by a significant majority of 55.

 

[metalblue]

The majority want to see.

How’s that worked out in the past?

 

[N1985]

Gives you the option to die with a bit of dignity rather than dying in a pool of your own shit, blood and agony.

Sounds good to me.

 

[bluethrunthru]

We'll see what happens at the next stage - it has been passed by a significant majority of 55.

Have seen the God Botherers Rees-Mogg and Kruger doing the rounds the last 24hrs decrying the bill - I think Kruger will be egged on by JRM to do his best to talk out and derail whatever he can - I mean he has a Party to re-build and constituents to represent but they can wait he has a higher calling

 

[WesthoughtonJohn]

Speaking from the experience of watching both my parents go through horrible extended ends to their lives that neither wanted. I applaud MPs for today's vote result.
I understand not everyone agrees, and respect differing opinions.
Let's make the law as robust as possible and move forward

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Speaking from the experience of watching both my parents go through horrible extended ends to their lives that neither wanted. I applaud MPs for today's vote result.
I understand not everyone agrees, and respect differing opinions.
Let's make the law as robust as possible and move forward

Agree. With time public opinion is moving toward these issues. This is a fairly modest change in my view in terms of the numbers it will impact buy I guess its a landmark moment. I think in a few years they will be voting again and the restrictions will be revisited.

 

[stonerblue]

I think you should be able to work out the concern many folk have about coercion and self-coercion as a result of this bill for yourself with a bit more effort.

Where's the coercion in your scenario?

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

I've got the debate on in the background and though I think the process of seeking to do this through a Private Members Bill is very flawed I'll say one thing....we tend to demonise our politicians but they are showing today that they can act as proper dignified parliamentarians.

The election will have helped, also known as The great purge of arseholes.

 

[hilts]

Proper palliative care is what is needed, that is what 'normal people' want.

And who made you the spokesman for normal people whatever that means.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

I can guarantee that doesn’t happen mate.

What many people fail to understand is pain killers are addictive hence they are given sparingly. Come end of life no medical professional is considering the risks of you becoming addicted so you’ve got a whole cupboard of options to find relief from.

They’ll give you as much as you need of whatever you need.

Hope so, I said before my Dad unable to breathe struggling for breath at 73yrs after cardiac arrest.
That lasted for three months and the oxygen was rationed ONE canister had to last until the next delivery. My Dad would not have taken the AD route anyway.

I know of people who got a bed in macmillan and had a peaceful death at home because of those nurses, but care is so patchy and not every one has that option, if anything comes out of this I hope we can make better palliative care as well as AD for everyone.

 

[hilts]

Well done those 330 MPs, shame on the 275 shysters.

 

[Bigg Bigg Blue]

I watched both my parents suffer unimaginable pain at the end of their lives and trust me, if I could have put them out of their misery I would have.
I would quite happily sign the form now to give permission to put me out of my misery if I was in pain and there was no hope for me.

 

[kaz7]

This is not an either or situation , assisted dying and working really hard to get good pallative care in every postcode can be done at the same time

I would be surprised if there is enough money to bring hospices into the nhs at the moment, i think starmer could make it his legacy if he did it though, the fact they are funded mostly by donations is a fucking scandeal