PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[KS55]

Don't like em, that's the PL legal team. The writing on the white folder looks like "Closing' ?. If only we could get our mitts on that.

Just a guess, but will it state something like....

And finally, in closing may I remind the panel the owners of MCFC are not Americans but Arabs, very very wealthy Arabs and these people just can not be trusted. It doesn't matter how much they deny the accusations or the volumes of exculpatory evidence they produce. All the sworn personal statements can be completely disregarded as they have a genetic predisposition that makes them and the truth strangers...

Closing argument from City.
“So it is clear that the redshirts have co-ordinated a plan to harm us and the PL have connived with them and dealt with us in bad faith. Therefore……..”

 

[M18CTID]

Sorry to put a dampener on things this morning after getting back to winning ways but just thought I’d share this. One of our lot was telling me last night that he heard on Sunday from someone at Anfield that 50-odd charges have fallen away but they’re going to find against us on some of the others, and we’re getting a 40 point deduction. Now if this “someone” was a random bloke, then obviously I wouldn’t even be giving it the time of day, let alone posting it on here. However, we all know or have at least heard of this “someone” - who I won’t name but I’m sure some will be able to work out who it is - and he told my mate that he’d heard this from a contact “high up at the club”.

Anyway, this mate who heard this said he naturally wasn’t in the best of moods as the second half kicked off! However, he has plenty of other contacts in the media and at the club. One of his media contacts is someone who’s been his mate for the past 30-odd years and again is someone we all know as he errr, cough cough, posts on here ;) So he asked him if he’d heard anything about this so-called 40 point deduction. The answer he got back was along the lines of “That’s bollocks as they’ve not even done the summing up yet!”. This is a fair point as while I think both sides might have an inkling of how things are going at this stage, if the summing up hasn’t even started (or is just starting going off the pics that have been posted on here), let alone the panel then sitting down and spending months deliberating, I can’t see how anyone would know at this point in time what our punishment - if there is to be any - would be.

Like I say, sorry for the seemingly negative post but I think it’s only fair that info from sources should be shared regardless of whether it’s positive or negative.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Sorry to put a dampener on things this morning after getting back to winning ways but just thought I’d share this. One of our lot was telling me last night that he heard on Sunday from someone at Anfield that 50-odd charges have fallen away but they’re going to find against us on some of the others, and we’re getting a 40 point deduction. Now if this “someone” was a random bloke, then obviously I wouldn’t even be giving it the time of day, let alone posting it on here. However, we all know or have at least heard of this “someone” - who I won’t name but I’m sure some will be able to work out who it is - and he told my mate that he’d heard this from a contact “high up at the club”.

Anyway, this mate who heard this said he naturally wasn’t in the best of moods as the second half kicked off! However, he has plenty of other contacts in the media and at the club. One of his media contacts is someone who’s been his mate for the past 30-odd years and again is someone we all know as he errr, cough cough, posts on here ;) So he asked him if he’d heard anything about this so-called 40 point deduction. The answer he got back was along the lines of “That’s bollocks as they’ve not even done the summing up yet!”. This is a fair point as while I think both sides might have an inkling of how things are going at this stage, if the summing up hasn’t even started (or is just starting going off the pics that have been posted on here), let alone the panel then sitting down and spending months deliberating, I can’t see how anyone would know at this point of time what our punishment - if there is to be any - would be.

It's bollocks, whoever it was.

 

[bluemc]

Sorry to put a dampener on things this morning after getting back to winning ways but just thought I’d share this. One of our lot was telling me last night that he heard on Sunday from someone at Anfield that 50-odd charges have fallen away but they’re going to find against us on some of the others, and we’re getting a 40 point deduction. Now if this “someone” was a random bloke, then obviously I wouldn’t even be giving it the time of day, let alone posting it on here. However, we all know or have at least heard of this “someone” - who I won’t name but I’m sure some will be able to work out who it is - and he told my mate that he’d heard this from a contact “high up at the club”.

John Aldridge, I reckon. Proper blabber mouth after a few pints.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

Sorry to put a dampener on things this morning after getting back to winning ways but just thought I’d share this. One of our lot was telling me last night that he heard on Sunday from someone at Anfield that 50-odd charges have fallen away but they’re going to find against us on some of the others, and we’re getting a 40 point deduction. Now if this “someone” was a random bloke, then obviously I wouldn’t even be giving it the time of day, let alone posting it on here. However, we all know or have at least heard of this “someone” - who I won’t name but I’m sure some will be able to work out who it is - and he told my mate that he’d heard this from a contact “high up at the club”.

Anyway, this mate who heard this said he naturally wasn’t in the best of moods as the second half kicked off! However, he has plenty of other contacts in the media and at the club. One of his media contacts is someone who’s been his mate for the past 30-odd years and again is someone we all know as he errr, cough cough, posts on here ;) So he asked him if he’d heard anything about this so-called 40 point deduction. The answer he got back was along the lines of “That’s bollocks as they’ve not even done the summing up yet!”. This is a fair point as while I think both sides might have an inkling of how things are going at this stage, if the summing up hasn’t even started (or is just starting going off the pics that have been posted on here), let alone the panel then sitting down and spending months deliberating, I can’t see how anyone would know at this point in time what our punishment - if there is to be any - would be.

Like I say, sorry for the seemingly negative post but I think it’s only fair that info from sources should be shared regardless of whether it’s positive or negative.

Info from sources? Yeah, but not a mate of a mate from Anfield, please.

It does sound total bollocks though.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Fourth hand information from a random pissed scouser in a pub, sounds reliable.

I hope the barman checked the tills for a £9 note with Kenny Dalglish wearing a crown drawn on it.

And the toilet for needles.

 

[petrusha]

Sorry to put a dampener on things this morning after getting back to winning ways but just thought I’d share this. One of our lot was telling me last night that he heard on Sunday from someone at Anfield that 50-odd charges have fallen away but they’re going to find against us on some of the others, and we’re getting a 40 point deduction. Now if this “someone” was a random bloke, then obviously I wouldn’t even be giving it the time of day, let alone posting it on here. However, we all know or have at least heard of this “someone” - who I won’t name but I’m sure some will be able to work out who it is - and he told my mate that he’d heard this from a contact “high up at the club”.

Anyway, this mate who heard this said he naturally wasn’t in the best of moods as the second half kicked off! However, he has plenty of other contacts in the media and at the club. One of his media contacts is someone who’s been his mate for the past 30-odd years and again is someone we all know as he errr, cough cough, posts on here ;) So he asked him if he’d heard anything about this so-called 40 point deduction. The answer he got back was along the lines of “That’s bollocks as they’ve not even done the summing up yet!”. This is a fair point as while I think both sides might have an inkling of how things are going at this stage, if the summing up hasn’t even started (or is just starting going off the pics that have been posted on here), let alone the panel then sitting down and spending months deliberating, I can’t see how anyone would know at this point of time what our punishment - if there is to be any - would be.

When you say "heard ... from someone at Anfield", would I be correct in presuming that this means he was told by from someone in the City end at the recent Liverpool away game, and you're not using "someone at Anfield" as shorthand for someone within Liverpool, FC? It would be a valuable clarification.

As for the veracity of the information, the answer is that, while the Panel might have a strong idea even before closing submissions of how they'll decide on some matters that seem pretty clear cut, no one else knows. That includes the respective parties and their professional advisers. As we've discussed in this thread before, lawyers quite often form an idea of whether or not a court or arbitration case has generally gone well for them, but every litigator I've known has stories about such impressions turning out to have been completely incorrect.

Trying to take the information at face value, the only way I see that there could be a kernel of truth in it would be that it's a reflection of the PL's view of the case and not that of the Panel itself. In other words, I suppose it's possible that the PL could, having heard City's rebuttal evidence, have declined to pursue over 50 of the original charges but are pushing for a 40 point deduction with respect to the rest and they may or may not persuade the Panel to impose such a sanction. I'm inclined to be sceptical, though.

 

[mancboy]

Sorry to put a dampener on things this morning after getting back to winning ways but just thought I’d share this. One of our lot was telling me last night that he heard on Sunday from someone at Anfield that 50-odd charges have fallen away but they’re going to find against us on some of the others, and we’re getting a 40 point deduction. Now if this “someone” was a random bloke, then obviously I wouldn’t even be giving it the time of day, let alone posting it on here. However, we all know or have at least heard of this “someone” - who I won’t name but I’m sure some will be able to work out who it is - and he told my mate that he’d heard this from a contact “high up at the club”.

Anyway, this mate who heard this said he naturally wasn’t in the best of moods as the second half kicked off! However, he has plenty of other contacts in the media and at the club. One of his media contacts is someone who’s been his mate for the past 30-odd years and again is someone we all know as he errr, cough cough, posts on here ;) So he asked him if he’d heard anything about this so-called 40 point deduction. The answer he got back was along the lines of “That’s bollocks as they’ve not even done the summing up yet!”. This is a fair point as while I think both sides might have an inkling of how things are going at this stage, if the summing up hasn’t even started (or is just starting going off the pics that have been posted on here), let alone the panel then sitting down and spending months deliberating, I can’t see how anyone would know at this point in time what our punishment - if there is to be any - would be.

Like I say, sorry for the seemingly negative post but I think it’s only fair that info from sources should be shared regardless of whether it’s positive or negative.

Argument is immediately done with just from that.

 

[M18CTID]

John Aldridge, I reckon. Proper blabber mouth after a few pints.

Mate, if it was Aldridge I wouldn't be wasting my time posting it!

 

[Damocles]

Sorry to put a dampener on things this morning after getting back to winning ways but just thought I’d share this. One of our lot was telling me last night that he heard on Sunday from someone at Anfield that 50-odd charges have fallen away but they’re going to find against us on some of the others, and we’re getting a 40 point deduction. Now if this “someone” was a random bloke, then obviously I wouldn’t even be giving it the time of day, let alone posting it on here. However, we all know or have at least heard of this “someone” - who I won’t name but I’m sure some will be able to work out who it is - and he told my mate that he’d heard this from a contact “high up at the club”.

Anyway, this mate who heard this said he naturally wasn’t in the best of moods as the second half kicked off! However, he has plenty of other contacts in the media and at the club. One of his media contacts is someone who’s been his mate for the past 30-odd years and again is someone we all know as he errr, cough cough, posts on here ;) So he asked him if he’d heard anything about this so-called 40 point deduction. The answer he got back was along the lines of “That’s bollocks as they’ve not even done the summing up yet!”. This is a fair point as while I think both sides might have an inkling of how things are going at this stage, if the summing up hasn’t even started (or is just starting going off the pics that have been posted on here), let alone the panel then sitting down and spending months deliberating, I can’t see how anyone would know at this point in time what our punishment - if there is to be any - would be.

Like I say, sorry for the seemingly negative post but I think it’s only fair that info from sources should be shared regardless of whether it’s positive or negative.

The middle paragraph is correct. The arguments haven't even finished or been presented yet, whoever told there's a plan for punishment already is someone you now know is full of shit and can't be trusted for the future.

 

[mancboy]

When you say "heard ... from someone at Anfield", would I be correct in presuming that this means he was told by from someone in the City end at the recent Liverpool away game, and you're not using "someone at Anfield" as shorthand for someone within Liverpool, FC? It would be a valuable clarification.

As for the veracity of the information, the answer is that, while the Panel might have a strong idea even before closing submissions of how they'll decide on some matters that seem pretty clear cut, no one else knows. That includes the respective parties and their professional advisers. As we've discussed in this thread before, lawyers quite often form an idea of whether or not a court or arbitration case has generally gone well for them, but every litigator I've known has stories about such impressions turning out to have been completely incorrect.

Trying to take the information at face value, the only way I see that there could be a kernel of truth in it would be that it's a reflection of the PL's view of the case and not that of the Panel itself. In other words, I suppose it's possible that the PL could, having heard City's rebuttal evidence, have declined to pursue over 50 of the original charges but are pushing for a 40 point deduction with respect to the rest and they may or may not persuade the Panel to impose such a sanction. I'm inclined to be sceptical, though.

You only have to look at the last case against the PL where both sides were claiming victory despite the findings and also how would that even work they couldnt prove 50 charges but could prove the other 65, if they had summary evidence that was better for 65 of the charges than the other 50 it would make no sense to pursue the other 50 in the first place.

 

[halfcenturyup]

It's bollocks, whoever it was.

Actually, replying to myself I know, but I suppose it is possible that that is what the PL is asking for in it's closing statement.

But looking at it logically, that would mean many things about what the PL think was proven and what was dropped. So many things that I don't have the strength right now. But I could put a case for the PL asking for a 40 point deduction if the most serious allegations weren't proven and some of the less serious ones were. Aim high, settle less, I suppose.

Anyway, I still think it's probably bollocks.

 

[Dubai Blue]

Sorry to put a dampener on things this morning after getting back to winning ways but just thought I’d share this. One of our lot was telling me last night that he heard on Sunday from someone at Anfield that 50-odd charges have fallen away but they’re going to find against us on some of the others, and we’re getting a 40 point deduction. Now if this “someone” was a random bloke, then obviously I wouldn’t even be giving it the time of day, let alone posting it on here. However, we all know or have at least heard of this “someone” - who I won’t name but I’m sure some will be able to work out who it is - and he told my mate that he’d heard this from a contact “high up at the club”.

Anyway, this mate who heard this said he naturally wasn’t in the best of moods as the second half kicked off! However, he has plenty of other contacts in the media and at the club. One of his media contacts is someone who’s been his mate for the past 30-odd years and again is someone we all know as he errr, cough cough, posts on here ;) So he asked him if he’d heard anything about this so-called 40 point deduction. The answer he got back was along the lines of “That’s bollocks as they’ve not even done the summing up yet!”. This is a fair point as while I think both sides might have an inkling of how things are going at this stage, if the summing up hasn’t even started (or is just starting going off the pics that have been posted on here), let alone the panel then sitting down and spending months deliberating, I can’t see how anyone would know at this point in time what our punishment - if there is to be any - would be.

Like I say, sorry for the seemingly negative post but I think it’s only fair that info from sources should be shared regardless of whether it’s positive or negative.

Your second paragraph sums it up neatly. This isn't a murder trial where the potential punishment is known in advance. The PL are that inept (or corrupt?) that they don't have a defined list of punishments based on different outcomes. That will be for the panel to decide once they've determined precisely what City are or aren't guilty of, which clearly hasn't taken place yet. No one could possibly know for certain what the punishment is at this stage, only what the PL are hoping for.

 

[Maly]

Sorry to put a dampener on things this morning after getting back to winning ways but just thought I’d share this. One of our lot was telling me last night that he heard on Sunday from someone at Anfield that 50-odd charges have fallen away but they’re going to find against us on some of the others, and we’re getting a 40 point deduction. Now if this “someone” was a random bloke, then obviously I wouldn’t even be giving it the time of day, let alone posting it on here. However, we all know or have at least heard of this “someone” - who I won’t name but I’m sure some will be able to work out who it is - and he told my mate that he’d heard this from a contact “high up at the club”.

Anyway, this mate who heard this said he naturally wasn’t in the best of moods as the second half kicked off! However, he has plenty of other contacts in the media and at the club. One of his media contacts is someone who’s been his mate for the past 30-odd years and again is someone we all know as he errr, cough cough, posts on here ;) So he asked him if he’d heard anything about this so-called 40 point deduction. The answer he got back was along the lines of “That’s bollocks as they’ve not even done the summing up yet!”. This is a fair point as while I think both sides might have an inkling of how things are going at this stage, if the summing up hasn’t even started (or is just starting going off the pics that have been posted on here), let alone the panel then sitting down and spending months deliberating, I can’t see how anyone would know at this point in time what our punishment - if there is to be any - would be.

Like I say, sorry for the seemingly negative post but I think it’s only fair that info from sources should be shared regardless of whether it’s positive or negative.

Closing arguments this week…….i think someone has been pulling your plonker mate

 

[M18CTID]

When you say "heard ... from someone at Anfield", would I be correct in presuming that this means he was told by from someone in the City end at the recent Liverpool away game, and you're not using "someone at Anfield" as shorthand for someone within Liverpool, FC? It would be a valuable clarification.

As for the veracity of the information, the answer is that, while the Panel might have a strong idea even before closing submissions of how they'll decide on some matters that seem pretty clear cut, no one else knows. That includes the respective parties and their professional advisers. As we've discussed in this thread before, lawyers quite often form an idea of whether or not a court or arbitration case has generally gone well for them, but every litigator I've known has stories about such impressions turning out to have been completely incorrect.

Trying to take the information at face value, the only way I see that there could be a kernel of truth in it would be that it's a reflection of the PL's view of the case and not that of the Panel itself. In other words, I suppose it's possible that the PL could, having heard City's rebuttal evidence, have declined to pursue over 50 of the original charges but are pushing for a 40 point deduction with respect to the rest and they may or may not persuade the Panel to impose such a sanction. I'm inclined to be sceptical, though.

Thanks Peter. Apologies if I wasn't clear about who this was and which club they're affiliated to. It wasn't someone from the Liverpool side. I've pm'ed you the name.

 

[halfcenturyup]

When you say "heard ... from someone at Anfield", would I be correct in presuming that this means he was told by from someone in the City end at the recent Liverpool away game, and you're not using "someone at Anfield" as shorthand for someone within Liverpool, FC? It would be a valuable clarification.

As for the veracity of the information, the answer is that, while the Panel might have a strong idea even before closing submissions of how they'll decide on some matters that seem pretty clear cut, no one else knows. That includes the respective parties and their professional advisers. As we've discussed in this thread before, lawyers quite often form an idea of whether or not a court or arbitration case has generally gone well for them, but every litigator I've known has stories about such impressions turning out to have been completely incorrect.

Trying to take the information at face value, the only way I see that there could be a kernel of truth in it would be that it's a reflection of the PL's view of the case and not that of the Panel itself. In other words, I suppose it's possible that the PL could, having heard City's rebuttal evidence, have declined to pursue over 50 of the original charges but are pushing for a 40 point deduction with respect to the rest and they may or may not persuade the Panel to impose such a sanction. I'm inclined to be sceptical, though.

What he said :)

 

[M18CTID]

Argument is immediately done with just from that.

Well I did say that it wasn't a random bloke and it certainly wasn't from a scouse ****. I'm surprised no-one's managed to work it out yet ;)

 

[mancboy]

Actually, replying to myself I know, but I suppose it is possible that that is what the PL is asking for in it's closing statement.

But looking at it logically, that would mean many things about what the PL think was proven and what was dropped. So many things that I don't have the strength right now. But I could put a case for the PL asking for a 40 point deduction if the most serious allegations weren't proven and some of the less serious ones were. Aim high, settle less, I suppose.

Anyway, I still think it's probably bollocks.

The PL cant request a punishment can they , i thought the punishment was decided by the panel within set guidelines although i may be wrong.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

I think we could safely close the Title Race thread if that happens! Winning it from -14 with only 24 games to go might be tricky!

 

[halfcenturyup]

The PL cant request a punishment can they , i thought the punishment was decided by the panel within set guidelines although i may be wrong.

There are no set guidelines. Remember the first Everton case? The PL suggested a sanction and the panel ignored it, but then came up with the same sanction on a different basis (so they said .....).