PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Cobwebcat said:
I think where you’ve gone wrong there is caring what rival fans/media think. We could be found innocent on every level and it would make zero difference. I don’t know what some blues fans expect. When have City fans ever said we were wrong about Ferguson’s influence over referees as there was never any proof.

It’s just tribalism.
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To an extent. Having Dan Roan from the BBC reporting live on the 6 news saying ‘Manchester City have been found guilty (regardless of the seriousness of it)’ is something the club will certainty not want. Completely different to the numpties on twitter and TS.
 
Well, this is from our dearest friend Mr Nick Harris. Interesting read though. Seems like he's not that confident. I wonder what changed lately....?


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Man City - what will the verdict be?​

This question came via DM on social media from somebody calling themselves ‘Bert’, and I can only assume they are a Manchester City fan. They said they know I hate City (not actually true) but they would be interested in my opinion about whether City will be found guilty and punished in the “115 case”, where closing arguments were heard last Friday.

As I have repeatedly written, and said, I have zero confidence in any prediction, and I think the outcome could range from City effectively being cleared of all charges to City being found guilty of many, but not all. Which means potential punishments ranging from a fine (for non-cooperation with the Premier League probe, which we know is a slam dunk, albeit a minor one) to a points reduction big enough to relegate them.

I honestly cannot say with any confidence which of these outcomes will happen.

For new readers or those who haven’t kept abreast of developments, you might be interested in pieces from recent months about new details of City’s financial chicanery over the years, or how City have tried to shape the 115 narrative with the help of client journalists, and how we got here in the first place as the 10-week independent commission began.

As for my best prediction on the outcome: I have no inside knowledge of what has happened at the commission hearings. I don’t know the full list of witnesses or what they said. I assume City will have used similar tactics they used when getting a two-year Champions League ban overturned at CAS in 2020. They obviously will not have provided information that would incriminate themselves, and instead left it to the Premier League to prove the most significant charges, of disguised investment.

I don’t believe the Premier League will have had any jurisdiction to access financial records of Etihad’s income. So even if City produce records showing Etihad did indeed pay for City sponsorships, there won’t be any ability to see if Etihad did so after having been funded to do so by a UAE government source.

The Mancini and Yaya Toure payments look damning as far as the leaked emails show (links to all documents in pieces linked above), but again there is an element of subjectivity involved.

I don’t think there is any doubt at all that City have failed to co-operate with the Premier League. A High Court judge made this abundantly clear in 2021 when myself and colleagues from the MoS, assisted by a QC, effectively won the right to report on City’s dawdling.

I think it’s important to understand that City have already been caught and punished, twice, for breaking various UEFA and Premier League financial rules. It is abundantly clear what they did. We have been writing about it, with evidence, for a decade.

But I’m not confident the Premier League will have delivered the burden of proof required. I think City will be punished, certainly with a fine, probably with some points deductions. Am I confident they will be hit with sanctions that will relegate them? No.
 
Toranaga sama said:
Well, this is from our dearest friend Mr Nick Harris. Interesting read though. Seems like he's not that confident. I wonder what changed lately....?


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Man City - what will the verdict be?​

This question came via DM on social media from somebody calling themselves ‘Bert’, and I can only assume they are a Manchester City fan. They said they know I hate City (not actually true) but they would be interested in my opinion about whether City will be found guilty and punished in the “115 case”, where closing arguments were heard last Friday.

As I have repeatedly written, and said, I have zero confidence in any prediction, and I think the outcome could range from City effectively being cleared of all charges to City being found guilty of many, but not all. Which means potential punishments ranging from a fine (for non-cooperation with the Premier League probe, which we know is a slam dunk, albeit a minor one) to a points reduction big enough to relegate them.

I honestly cannot say with any confidence which of these outcomes will happen.

For new readers or those who haven’t kept abreast of developments, you might be interested in pieces from recent months about new details of City’s financial chicanery over the years, or how City have tried to shape the 115 narrative with the help of client journalists, and how we got here in the first place as the 10-week independent commission began.

As for my best prediction on the outcome: I have no inside knowledge of what has happened at the commission hearings. I don’t know the full list of witnesses or what they said. I assume City will have used similar tactics they used when getting a two-year Champions League ban overturned at CAS in 2020. They obviously will not have provided information that would incriminate themselves, and instead left it to the Premier League to prove the most significant charges, of disguised investment.

I don’t believe the Premier League will have had any jurisdiction to access financial records of Etihad’s income. So even if City produce records showing Etihad did indeed pay for City sponsorships, there won’t be any ability to see if Etihad did so after having been funded to do so by a UAE government source.

The Mancini and Yaya Toure payments look damning as far as the leaked emails show (links to all documents in pieces linked above), but again there is an element of subjectivity involved.

I don’t think there is any doubt at all that City have failed to co-operate with the Premier League. A High Court judge made this abundantly clear in 2021 when myself and colleagues from the MoS, assisted by a QC, effectively won the right to report on City’s dawdling.

I think it’s important to understand that City have already been caught and punished, twice, for breaking various UEFA and Premier League financial rules. It is abundantly clear what they did. We have been writing about it, with evidence, for a decade.

But I’m not confident the Premier League will have delivered the burden of proof required. I think City will be punished, certainly with a fine, probably with some points deductions. Am I confident they will be hit with sanctions that will relegate them? No.
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The last paragraph doesn't make sence. " Am I confident the Premier League will delivered the burden of proof required. I think Citu will be punished, certainly with a fine, probably with points deductions"

That just doesn't make sence first saying he doubts the pl have enough evidence to find City guilty but will still punish City anyway !!
 
Toranaga sama said:
Well, this is from our dearest friend Mr Nick Harris. Interesting read though. Seems like he's not that confident. I wonder what changed lately....?


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Man City - what will the verdict be?​

This question came via DM on social media from somebody calling themselves ‘Bert’, and I can only assume they are a Manchester City fan. They said they know I hate City (not actually true) but they would be interested in my opinion about whether City will be found guilty and punished in the “115 case”, where closing arguments were heard last Friday.

As I have repeatedly written, and said, I have zero confidence in any prediction, and I think the outcome could range from City effectively being cleared of all charges to City being found guilty of many, but not all. Which means potential punishments ranging from a fine (for non-cooperation with the Premier League probe, which we know is a slam dunk, albeit a minor one) to a points reduction big enough to relegate them.

I honestly cannot say with any confidence which of these outcomes will happen.

For new readers or those who haven’t kept abreast of developments, you might be interested in pieces from recent months about new details of City’s financial chicanery over the years, or how City have tried to shape the 115 narrative with the help of client journalists, and how we got here in the first place as the 10-week independent commission began.

As for my best prediction on the outcome: I have no inside knowledge of what has happened at the commission hearings. I don’t know the full list of witnesses or what they said. I assume City will have used similar tactics they used when getting a two-year Champions League ban overturned at CAS in 2020. They obviously will not have provided information that would incriminate themselves, and instead left it to the Premier League to prove the most significant charges, of disguised investment.

I don’t believe the Premier League will have had any jurisdiction to access financial records of Etihad’s income. So even if City produce records showing Etihad did indeed pay for City sponsorships, there won’t be any ability to see if Etihad did so after having been funded to do so by a UAE government source.

The Mancini and Yaya Toure payments look damning as far as the leaked emails show (links to all documents in pieces linked above), but again there is an element of subjectivity involved.

I don’t think there is any doubt at all that City have failed to co-operate with the Premier League. A High Court judge made this abundantly clear in 2021 when myself and colleagues from the MoS, assisted by a QC, effectively won the right to report on City’s dawdling.

I think it’s important to understand that City have already been caught and punished, twice, for breaking various UEFA and Premier League financial rules. It is abundantly clear what they did. We have been writing about it, with evidence, for a decade.

But I’m not confident the Premier League will have delivered the burden of proof required. I think City will be punished, certainly with a fine, probably with some points deductions. Am I confident they will be hit with sanctions that will relegate them? No.
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Client f#cking journalist shaping the narrative.
I’m shocked I tell yeah
 
give it to gordon said:
The last paragraph doesn't make sence. " Am I confident the Premier League will delivered the burden of proof required. I think Citu will be punished, certainly with a fine, probably with points deductions"

That just doesn't make sence first saying he doubts the pl have enough evidence to find City guilty but will still punish City anyway !!
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It’s the lazy narrative parroted by the man on the street: “They must be guilty of at least something if they’re charged 115 times.”
 
vincent said:
To an extent. Having Dan Roan from the BBC reporting live on the 6 news saying ‘Manchester City have been found guilty (regardless of the seriousness of it)’ is something the club will certainty not want. Completely different to the numpties on twitter and TS.
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I include the BBC in my opinion. If City don’t like it they can sue them. I don’t expect they will.

My point is the BBC like everyone else will spin the verdict whichever way they want. There is no point being concerned about it. City will just move on as will everyone else.
 
give it to gordon said:
The last paragraph doesn't make sence. " Am I confident the Premier League will delivered the burden of proof required. I think Citu will be punished, certainly with a fine, probably with points deductions"

That just doesn't make sence first saying he doubts the pl have enough evidence to find City guilty but will still punish City anyway !!
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I think he meant Non Cooperation penalty.
 
Toranaga sama said:
Well, this is from our dearest friend Mr Nick Harris. Interesting read though. Seems like he's not that confident. I wonder what changed lately....?


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Man City - what will the verdict be?​

This question came via DM on social media from somebody calling themselves ‘Bert’, and I can only assume they are a Manchester City fan. They said they know I hate City (not actually true) but they would be interested in my opinion about whether City will be found guilty and punished in the “115 case”, where closing arguments were heard last Friday.

As I have repeatedly written, and said, I have zero confidence in any prediction, and I think the outcome could range from City effectively being cleared of all charges to City being found guilty of many, but not all. Which means potential punishments ranging from a fine (for non-cooperation with the Premier League probe, which we know is a slam dunk, albeit a minor one) to a points reduction big enough to relegate them.

I honestly cannot say with any confidence which of these outcomes will happen.

For new readers or those who haven’t kept abreast of developments, you might be interested in pieces from recent months about new details of City’s financial chicanery over the years, or how City have tried to shape the 115 narrative with the help of client journalists, and how we got here in the first place as the 10-week independent commission began.

As for my best prediction on the outcome: I have no inside knowledge of what has happened at the commission hearings. I don’t know the full list of witnesses or what they said. I assume City will have used similar tactics they used when getting a two-year Champions League ban overturned at CAS in 2020. They obviously will not have provided information that would incriminate themselves, and instead left it to the Premier League to prove the most significant charges, of disguised investment.

I don’t believe the Premier League will have had any jurisdiction to access financial records of Etihad’s income. So even if City produce records showing Etihad did indeed pay for City sponsorships, there won’t be any ability to see if Etihad did so after having been funded to do so by a UAE government source.

The Mancini and Yaya Toure payments look damning as far as the leaked emails show (links to all documents in pieces linked above), but again there is an element of subjectivity involved.

I don’t think there is any doubt at all that City have failed to co-operate with the Premier League. A High Court judge made this abundantly clear in 2021 when myself and colleagues from the MoS, assisted by a QC, effectively won the right to report on City’s dawdling.

I think it’s important to understand that City have already been caught and punished, twice, for breaking various UEFA and Premier League financial rules. It is abundantly clear what they did. We have been writing about it, with evidence, for a decade.

But I’m not confident the Premier League will have delivered the burden of proof required. I think City will be punished, certainly with a fine, probably with some points deductions. Am I confident they will be hit with sanctions that will relegate them? No.
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Thinking magic hat has had account hacked ;)
 
Toranaga sama said:
Well, this is from our dearest friend Mr Nick Harris. Interesting read though. Seems like he's not that confident. I wonder what changed lately....?


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Man City - what will the verdict be?​

This question came via DM on social media from somebody calling themselves ‘Bert’, and I can only assume they are a Manchester City fan. They said they know I hate City (not actually true) but they would be interested in my opinion about whether City will be found guilty and punished in the “115 case”, where closing arguments were heard last Friday.

As I have repeatedly written, and said, I have zero confidence in any prediction, and I think the outcome could range from City effectively being cleared of all charges to City being found guilty of many, but not all. Which means potential punishments ranging from a fine (for non-cooperation with the Premier League probe, which we know is a slam dunk, albeit a minor one) to a points reduction big enough to relegate them.

I honestly cannot say with any confidence which of these outcomes will happen.

For new readers or those who haven’t kept abreast of developments, you might be interested in pieces from recent months about new details of City’s financial chicanery over the years, or how City have tried to shape the 115 narrative with the help of client journalists, and how we got here in the first place as the 10-week independent commission began.

As for my best prediction on the outcome: I have no inside knowledge of what has happened at the commission hearings. I don’t know the full list of witnesses or what they said. I assume City will have used similar tactics they used when getting a two-year Champions League ban overturned at CAS in 2020. They obviously will not have provided information that would incriminate themselves, and instead left it to the Premier League to prove the most significant charges, of disguised investment.

I don’t believe the Premier League will have had any jurisdiction to access financial records of Etihad’s income. So even if City produce records showing Etihad did indeed pay for City sponsorships, there won’t be any ability to see if Etihad did so after having been funded to do so by a UAE government source.

The Mancini and Yaya Toure payments look damning as far as the leaked emails show (links to all documents in pieces linked above), but again there is an element of subjectivity involved.

I don’t think there is any doubt at all that City have failed to co-operate with the Premier League. A High Court judge made this abundantly clear in 2021 when myself and colleagues from the MoS, assisted by a QC, effectively won the right to report on City’s dawdling.

I think it’s important to understand that City have already been caught and punished, twice, for breaking various UEFA and Premier League financial rules. It is abundantly clear what they did. We have been writing about it, with evidence, for a decade.

But I’m not confident the Premier League will have delivered the burden of proof required. I think City will be punished, certainly with a fine, probably with some points deductions. Am I confident they will be hit with sanctions that will relegate them? No.
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I don't believe for one minute that Harris has been tipped off in any way about how the case is going. His comments in bold are probably more to do with him backtracking and covering his arse now that a verdict is probably only a few months away, when previously he's gone all in on saying we'll be found guilty/get relegated/go out of business or whatever other draconian punishment he could dream up in order to curry favour with all the salivating cocks who are thick enough to hang on his every word. It will be interesting to see what those salivating cocks think of these latest musings. I can't imagine they'll be particularly happy, and if they had any sense (which I doubt any of them have) they'd go to town on the **** for gaslighting them!
 
Toranaga sama said:
Well, this is from our dearest friend Mr Nick Harris. Interesting read though. Seems like he's not that confident. I wonder what changed lately....?


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Man City - what will the verdict be?​

This question came via DM on social media from somebody calling themselves ‘Bert’, and I can only assume they are a Manchester City fan. They said they know I hate City (not actually true) but they would be interested in my opinion about whether City will be found guilty and punished in the “115 case”, where closing arguments were heard last Friday.

As I have repeatedly written, and said, I have zero confidence in any prediction, and I think the outcome could range from City effectively being cleared of all charges to City being found guilty of many, but not all. Which means potential punishments ranging from a fine (for non-cooperation with the Premier League probe, which we know is a slam dunk, albeit a minor one) to a points reduction big enough to relegate them.

I honestly cannot say with any confidence which of these outcomes will happen.

For new readers or those who haven’t kept abreast of developments, you might be interested in pieces from recent months about new details of City’s financial chicanery over the years, or how City have tried to shape the 115 narrative with the help of client journalists, and how we got here in the first place as the 10-week independent commission began.

As for my best prediction on the outcome: I have no inside knowledge of what has happened at the commission hearings. I don’t know the full list of witnesses or what they said. I assume City will have used similar tactics they used when getting a two-year Champions League ban overturned at CAS in 2020. They obviously will not have provided information that would incriminate themselves, and instead left it to the Premier League to prove the most significant charges, of disguised investment.

I don’t believe the Premier League will have had any jurisdiction to access financial records of Etihad’s income. So even if City produce records showing Etihad did indeed pay for City sponsorships, there won’t be any ability to see if Etihad did so after having been funded to do so by a UAE government source.

The Mancini and Yaya Toure payments look damning as far as the leaked emails show (links to all documents in pieces linked above), but again there is an element of subjectivity involved.

I don’t think there is any doubt at all that City have failed to co-operate with the Premier League. A High Court judge made this abundantly clear in 2021 when myself and colleagues from the MoS, assisted by a QC, effectively won the right to report on City’s dawdling.

I think it’s important to understand that City have already been caught and punished, twice, for breaking various UEFA and Premier League financial rules. It is abundantly clear what they did. We have been writing about it, with evidence, for a decade.

But I’m not confident the Premier League will have delivered the burden of proof required. I think City will be punished, certainly with a fine, probably with some points deductions. Am I confident they will be hit with sanctions that will relegate them? No.
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That’s covered all eventualities then.
 
Toranaga sama said:
Well, this is from our dearest friend Mr Nick Harris. Interesting read though. Seems like he's not that confident. I wonder what changed lately....?


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Man City - what will the verdict be?​

This question came via DM on social media from somebody calling themselves ‘Bert’, and I can only assume they are a Manchester City fan. They said they know I hate City (not actually true) but they would be interested in my opinion about whether City will be found guilty and punished in the “115 case”, where closing arguments were heard last Friday.

As I have repeatedly written, and said, I have zero confidence in any prediction, and I think the outcome could range from City effectively being cleared of all charges to City being found guilty of many, but not all. Which means potential punishments ranging from a fine (for non-cooperation with the Premier League probe, which we know is a slam dunk, albeit a minor one) to a points reduction big enough to relegate them.

I honestly cannot say with any confidence which of these outcomes will happen.

For new readers or those who haven’t kept abreast of developments, you might be interested in pieces from recent months about new details of City’s financial chicanery over the years, or how City have tried to shape the 115 narrative with the help of client journalists, and how we got here in the first place as the 10-week independent commission began.

As for my best prediction on the outcome: I have no inside knowledge of what has happened at the commission hearings. I don’t know the full list of witnesses or what they said. I assume City will have used similar tactics they used when getting a two-year Champions League ban overturned at CAS in 2020. They obviously will not have provided information that would incriminate themselves, and instead left it to the Premier League to prove the most significant charges, of disguised investment.

I don’t believe the Premier League will have had any jurisdiction to access financial records of Etihad’s income. So even if City produce records showing Etihad did indeed pay for City sponsorships, there won’t be any ability to see if Etihad did so after having been funded to do so by a UAE government source.

The Mancini and Yaya Toure payments look damning as far as the leaked emails show (links to all documents in pieces linked above), but again there is an element of subjectivity involved.

I don’t think there is any doubt at all that City have failed to co-operate with the Premier League. A High Court judge made this abundantly clear in 2021 when myself and colleagues from the MoS, assisted by a QC, effectively won the right to report on City’s dawdling.

I think it’s important to understand that City have already been caught and punished, twice, for breaking various UEFA and Premier League financial rules. It is abundantly clear what they did. We have been writing about it, with evidence, for a decade.

But I’m not confident the Premier League will have delivered the burden of proof required. I think City will be punished, certainly with a fine, probably with some points deductions. Am I confident they will be hit with sanctions that will relegate them? No.
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I'm disgusted at myself for reading that.
I feel like I need to fill a bath with bleach.
 
Toranaga sama said:
Well, this is from our dearest friend Mr Nick Harris. Interesting read though. Seems like he's not that confident. I wonder what changed lately....?


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Man City - what will the verdict be?​

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I don’t think there is any doubt at all that City have failed to co-operate with the Premier League. A High Court judge made this abundantly clear in 2021 when myself and colleagues from the MoS, assisted by a QC, effectively won the right to report on City’s dawdling.
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This bit isn't true. The High Court case wasn't about co-operation and nor did the judge draw any such conclusion largely because he wasn't asked to or shown any evidence of that case. "Abundantly clear" is simply not true.
 
It appears that Nick Harris, as is his way, wishes to pollute the narrative with the stench of 'we know they're guilty but it's proving it that is the issue'. This keeps the atmosphere around the club a negative one, and feeds the fans of the cartel with the information they need. It is for this reason that I feel that any failure of the PL to find guilt needs to be come with a boatload of PR from the club finally ending the matter.
 
Toranaga sama said:
Well, this is from our dearest friend Mr Nick Harris. Interesting read though. Seems like he's not that confident. I wonder what changed lately....?


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Man City - what will the verdict be?​

This question came via DM on social media from somebody calling themselves ‘Bert’, and I can only assume they are a Manchester City fan. They said they know I hate City (not actually true) but they would be interested in my opinion about whether City will be found guilty and punished in the “115 case”, where closing arguments were heard last Friday.

As I have repeatedly written, and said, I have zero confidence in any prediction, and I think the outcome could range from City effectively being cleared of all charges to City being found guilty of many, but not all. Which means potential punishments ranging from a fine (for non-cooperation with the Premier League probe, which we know is a slam dunk, albeit a minor one) to a points reduction big enough to relegate them.

I honestly cannot say with any confidence which of these outcomes will happen.

For new readers or those who haven’t kept abreast of developments, you might be interested in pieces from recent months about new details of City’s financial chicanery over the years, or how City have tried to shape the 115 narrative with the help of client journalists, and how we got here in the first place as the 10-week independent commission began.

As for my best prediction on the outcome: I have no inside knowledge of what has happened at the commission hearings. I don’t know the full list of witnesses or what they said. I assume City will have used similar tactics they used when getting a two-year Champions League ban overturned at CAS in 2020. They obviously will not have provided information that would incriminate themselves, and instead left it to the Premier League to prove the most significant charges, of disguised investment.

I don’t believe the Premier League will have had any jurisdiction to access financial records of Etihad’s income. So even if City produce records showing Etihad did indeed pay for City sponsorships, there won’t be any ability to see if Etihad did so after having been funded to do so by a UAE government source.

The Mancini and Yaya Toure payments look damning as far as the leaked emails show (links to all documents in pieces linked above), but again there is an element of subjectivity involved.

I don’t think there is any doubt at all that City have failed to co-operate with the Premier League. A High Court judge made this abundantly clear in 2021 when myself and colleagues from the MoS, assisted by a QC, effectively won the right to report on City’s dawdling.

I think it’s important to understand that City have already been caught and punished, twice, for breaking various UEFA and Premier League financial rules. It is abundantly clear what they did. We have been writing about it, with evidence, for a decade.

But I’m not confident the Premier League will have delivered the burden of proof required. I think City will be punished, certainly with a fine, probably with some points deductions. Am I confident they will be hit with sanctions that will relegate them? No.
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I see Harris still believes City were "caught and punished" for financial breaches on two occasions. I presume he is referring to the 2013 settlement we made with UEFA (with no admission of liability) and has conveniently ignored the fact that we were cleared of the second UEFA allegations by CAS. In the second instance we deliberately and publically withdrew co-operation with UEFA because of their naked corrupion in leaking information to the media. CAS reduced the UEFA non-operation fine to just £10m. So just the usual tissue of lies from the man who says he "doesn't hate City."
 
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