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BTH said:
But I bet you stayed quiet when the union got you a pay rise or defended you against the management. Like they all do.
The reason most people won't join a union is because it costs a few quid to be a member.
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Ever thought some just might not agree with them and the bullying of members to do what they want. I remember getting paid every Friday morning about 9.30, straight after being paid during the miners strike the shop stewards would be round with buckets collecting for them pressurising everyone to give something. They got nowt from me.
 
hampshireblue said:
So none of your subs went towards the likes of legal representation for members if it was required? I was the memebr of a union that wasn't affiliated to any political party. The press and some employers would have you believe that being a member automatically means you are funding a party but that is absolutely not the case.
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I was a workplace rep for about 20 years at a FTSE 100 insurance company. There were many times when people came to me to ask to join as they were facing a disciplinary and I had to tell them thats not how it works. I'd say 99% of them were those who often said they didn't see the need for a Union. I also got seconded onto the team that negotiated the national pay increases with the HR management. In those instances I'd rather it had been negotiations solely for Union members - non members could fend for themselves see how far that gets them
 
maxwellblue said:
Don't hold a grudge at all. If that was the case, as a naive 17 year old coming out of the training school onto the shop floor I wasn't given the choice which speaks volumes for the union officials.
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You do realise that the Unions couldn't enforce that without the acceptance of a closed shop from the management ? They business owners would have to recognise the union. In most cases it was welcomed - if you employed say 1000+ people you couldn't negotiate pay rises with individuals - that would be all a line manager did all year - collective bargaining made it easier for the business to operate. Likewise in the case of disciplinary action it helped HR to deal with something as both sides would then understand the contractual obligations and the relevant law. In fact by the time I retired HR staff were so clueless or overworked they often relied on our advice to confirm whether their proposals were legal or not.
 
maxwellblue said:
Ever thought some just might not agree with them and the bullying of members to do what they want. I remember getting paid every Friday morning about 9.30, straight after being paid during the miners strike the shop stewards would be round with buckets collecting for them pressurising everyone to give something. They got nowt from me.
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After I got promoted to management I could no longer be part of collective bargaining and other than the initial pay rise for the new job, I never got a bigger pay rise than the staff who had their pay negotiated by the union. Most years it was a bit less. Anyone who moans about unions who has ever benefitted from collective bargaining should realise they’d be much worse off without them. The political levy has always been optional and if you were daft enough to pay it when you didn’t want to you’ve only got yourself to blame. There were always a few staff not in the union who benefitted from pay rises negotiated by the union but they were usually nobheads.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Interesting, howwver the same laws don't appear to stop the ROI returning migrants to the UK? Perhaps we should just say no like the French do?
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Look up the CTA dear boy - its an AGREEMENT (something we don't have withe the EU) that cover free movement between the UK and RoI - its not that hard to find this out you know
 
maxwellblue said:
Ever thought some just might not agree with them and the bullying of members to do what they want. I remember getting paid every Friday morning about 9.30, straight after being paid during the miners strike the shop stewards would be round with buckets collecting for them pressurising everyone to give something. They got nowt from me.
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nobhead.
 
Thanks to the CTA we could all (assuming 'we' are British citizens) move to the Republic of Ireland tomorrow and stay there until we die, without any significant formality. You do not need a visa or permission.

This is no longer true of the rest of the EU, alas. How ironic that those who would love to flee the Starmer regime cannot do so except with a visa. Although admittedly if they happen to be rich they will likely get one.
 
penny has dropped with the Fagash Fuhrer - the cosying up to Tommeh will cost them - thing is this now risks the ire the 1st Lady Elaine Musk - they are not a political party they are a Ltd Company that he owns

 
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