10 | Jack Grealish - 2024/25

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Don't know about you lot but I reckon he can turn it around…

…dribble backwards slightly and then pass it back to the central defender, whilst drawing a foul.


I think you’re right. ;-)

 

[Sibierskii]

To be honest , he won us the UCL

Christ are we still pedalling this shite?

 

[Dazzle84]

Are you saying that in 20 years when people think of this City team it won't be KDB, Haaland, Rodri and Dias but Grealish, Ake and Stones?

People remember the best players from great teams and unfortunately Jack is well down the list of our best players.

Well seeing as though Stones played the game of his life in our first ever champions league win, I'd say people well definitely think of him - Grealish will be remembered probably in a similar way to nasri when we won the league for the first time in decades

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

Well seeing as though Stones played the game of his life in our first ever champions league win, I'd say people well definitely think of him - Grealish will be remembered probably in a similar way to nasri when we won the league for the first time in decades

I haven't got many good memories of Grealish on the pitch but I'll never forget him in a crucifix pose on the team parade bus milking the adulation.

That pose would make a great statue but he doesn't deserve one.

 

[Luddite_Blue]

A joke post. City won and all credit has always gone to him only.hell he is called the sole reason we won treble.Him doing basic stuff is hailed sensational. Can’t have it both ways.people still call that Nottingham forest performa As his greatest ever or sensational when it was not

I've not said the credit only goes to Grealish. It's a team sport and the credit goes to the team/squad of which Grealish has played a significant role. Alan Oakes, City's record appearance holder, may not have won the most man of the match awards, but in a team sport getting the balance right is so important and much more so than individual awards. For the very top teams there is no truer saying than the whole must be greater than the sum of its parts.

 

[Luddite_Blue]

Are you saying that in 20 years when people think of this City team it won't be KDB, Haaland, Rodri and Dias but Grealish, Ake and Stones?

People remember the best players from great teams and unfortunately Jack is well down the list of our best players.

Maybe Grealish wouldn't feature in the 4 or 5 players that you'd list from the current City team. But I'm quite sure that fans of the successful English clubs of the last 50 years wouldn't be digging out players who weren't the big names, but did fully feature in their triumphs, on anywhere near the scale that Grealish is being dug out on this thread.

 

[Luddite_Blue]

@Luddite_Blue Are you happy with how Grealish has performed on the whole?

I'm not. He's mostly played within himself and it's been frustrating because JG has a lot more to offer but we rarely see it. He hogs the left touchline far too often waiting for the ball when he could come inside and hunt the ball or be in a better position to receive the ball. When he gets it he rarely bursts forward to whip in a cross like Savinho did last game. In his 4th season we're still seeing him get closed down and tackled. Villa didn't even mark him because they knew he was no threat to them.

I don't see him breaking sweat much, I don't see the hunger and desire to win. I see him causally strolling about waiting for the ball to slow the game down when he gets it. Like a poster mentioned has he ever been MOTM? And I'm not talking MOTM voted by us.

I was hoping to see a rejuvenated Jack start the season with a point to prove that he becomes an automatic starter, especially in the big games. When he's not been out with niggles and this 'mystery injury' he's played poor to average and average to good, never outstanding.

He reminds me of Rodney Marsh but Marsh had an end product, Grealish hasn't.

If he does get sold he only has himself to blame because on the whole Jack Grealish has been underwhelming and disappointing.

I'm happy with how Grealish has performed on the whole as its benefited the team

I don't think it's fair to say Villa didn't view him as a threat and didn't mark him. Gvardiol was supporting him in the first half, he got Cash booked and laid on a big chance for Gvardiol. Stones going off at half time meant there had to be a reshuffle and I presume Villa also made their own adjustments to close the space in the 2nd half.

Alan Oakes may not have won the most MOTM awards but the balance of the team is much more important than individual awards.

Grealish may very well be at a crossroads but I read this thread supposedly on season 24/25 and posters are denigrating his performances of the last 3 seasons when so much has been won.

The crux of this is in order to defend City need to keep the ball. If the games were set up like a basketball game we wouldn't have won half as much. And I saw an article around a year or so ago that had Jack top of a players points per game chart, presumably because Rodri was involved in more drawn games.

So posters can be as sniffy as they like about keeping the ball and winning free kicks. Retaining possession high up the pitch and pinning the opponents back benefited the attack as it meant the slightest lapse from the opponents often led to a chance and benefited the defence as opponents found it difficult to break out.

I don't think the Marsh comparison is a valid one as the addition of Marsh upset the balance of City's team whilst Grealish really helped with the balance of the team which won a significant amount.

I also don't think it's a fair assessment to say Grealish has been underwhelming and disappointing when he has fully featured in a team that has won 3 Premier Leagues, 1 Champions League, 1 FA Cup, 1 UEFA Super Cup and 1 FIFA Club World Cup.

I'd also like to quote an excellent post from Oldius on control and chaos and the blend needed for a team/squad.

It is weird, for me, that some posters cannot see that different players bring different talents to the whole mix. Sometimes, we want control. Sometimes, we need chaos. Sometimes, we will play control on both wings (Bernardo and Grealish). Sometimes we will play control on one side and dynamism on the other. It is a joy that Savinho has become what he has become in the last few games, not a stick to beat Jack with. I note that few people have said that he is keeping Doku out of the team, nor referring to the number of posters claiming, unequivocally, that Savinho was not up to it, only a couple of weeks ago.

The whole team is a blend of different skills and aptitudes. Defence is the same. We use John Stones if we want a player to bring the ball into midfield and open the attack. We don't expect Reuben to do the same. We leave Walker as the last man because he brings a different skillset than other defenders.

Anyway, good luck to every player in the squad going forward.

 

[kaz7]

I'm happy with how Grealish has performed on the whole as its benefited the team

I don't think it's fair to say Villa didn't view him as a threat and didn't mark him. Gvardiol was supporting him in the first half, he got Cash booked and laid on a big chance for Gvardiol. Stones going off at half time meant there had to be a reshuffle and I presume Villa also made their own adjustments to close the space in the 2nd half.

Alan Oakes may not have won the most MOTM awards but the balance of the team is much more important than individual awards.

Grealish may very well be at a crossroads but I read this thread supposedly on season 24/25 and posters are denigrating his performances of the last 3 seasons when so much has been won.

The crux of this is in order to defend City need to keep the ball. If the games were set up like a basketball game we wouldn't have won half as much. And I saw an article around a year or so ago that had Jack top of a players points per game chart, presumably because Rodri was involved in more drawn games.

So posters can be as sniffy as they like about keeping the ball and winning free kicks. Retaining possession high up the pitch and pinning the opponents back benefited the attack as it meant the slightest lapse from the opponents often led to a chance and benefited the defence as opponents found it difficult to break out.

I don't think the Marsh comparison is a valid one as the addition of Marsh upset the balance of City's team whilst Grealish really helped with the balance of the team which won a significant amount.

I also don't think it's a fair assessment to say Grealish has been underwhelming and disappointing when he has fully featured in a team that has won 3 Premier Leagues, 1 Champions League, 1 FA Cup, 1 UEFA Super Cup and 1 FIFA Club World Cup.

I'd also like to quote an excellent post from Oldius on control and chaos and the blend needed for a team/squad.

You keep repeating the trophies won but he didnt contribute to the 4th title , the others went again after winning the treble but he didnt have the drive and pep knows it , he demands they go for the title every year and all but him pushed themselves to the max , this season he has been bad again , he won the treble and that was enough for him

He played well in the treble year for some not all of it and to say he won us the cl is beyond stupid , i think rodders and eddie have a better claim

Getting the ball and playing for fouls is not on now, he should be driving forwards trying to make chances to score, the team is struggling and he as a more senior player should be stepping it up , he could fall over in the box for pens if he must do it but he never gets that far

He has no hunger so has to go

Bye

 

[mcfcphil]

You keep repeating the trophies won but he didnt contribute to the 4th title , the others went again after winning the treble but he didnt have the drive and pep knows it , he demands they go for the title every year and all but him pushed themselves to the max , this season he has been bad again , he won the treble and that was enough for him

He played well in the treble year for some not all of it and to say he won us the cl is beyond stupid , i think rodders and eddie have a better claim

Getting the ball and playing for fouls is not on now, he should be driving forwards trying to make chances to score, the team is struggling and he as a more senior player should be stepping it up , he could fall over in the box for pens if he must do it but he never gets that far

He has no hunger so has to go

Bye

To say any one individual player (even Rodri) won us the treble is stupid. It’s a team game.

However, a player who started every single knockout phase game on the way to winning the club’s first champions league was obviously integral to the achievement.

To suggest otherwise is ludicrous and disrespectful.

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

I'm happy with how Grealish has performed on the whole as its benefited the team

I don't think it's fair to say Villa didn't view him as a threat and didn't mark him. Gvardiol was supporting him in the first half, he got Cash booked and laid on a big chance for Gvardiol. Stones going off at half time meant there had to be a reshuffle and I presume Villa also made their own adjustments to close the space in the 2nd half.

Alan Oakes may not have won the most MOTM awards but the balance of the team is much more important than individual awards.

Grealish may very well be at a crossroads but I read this thread supposedly on season 24/25 and posters are denigrating his performances of the last 3 seasons when so much has been won.

The crux of this is in order to defend City need to keep the ball. If the games were set up like a basketball game we wouldn't have won half as much. And I saw an article around a year or so ago that had Jack top of a players points per game chart, presumably because Rodri was involved in more drawn games.

So posters can be as sniffy as they like about keeping the ball and winning free kicks. Retaining possession high up the pitch and pinning the opponents back benefited the attack as it meant the slightest lapse from the opponents often led to a chance and benefited the defence as opponents found it difficult to break out.

I don't think the Marsh comparison is a valid one as the addition of Marsh upset the balance of City's team whilst Grealish really helped with the balance of the team which won a significant amount.

I also don't think it's a fair assessment to say Grealish has been underwhelming and disappointing when he has fully featured in a team that has won 3 Premier Leagues, 1 Champions League, 1 FA Cup, 1 UEFA Super Cup and 1 FIFA Club World Cup.

I'd also like to quote an excellent post from Oldius on control and chaos and the blend needed for a team/squad.

Sorry pal but there's not a lot I agree with there.

 

[kaz7]

To say any one individual player (even Rodri) won us the treble is stupid. It’s a team game.

However, a player who started every single knockout phase game on the way to winning the club’s first champions league wasn’t integral to the achievement.

To suggest otherwise is ludicrous and disrespectful.

I didnt say rodders won us the treble , read better before jumping in . I also said that the posters assertion in another post that grealish won us the cl is stupid

The treble is a long time ago , grealish has been crap for eighteen months hence why prep makes barbed comments about him regularly

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

To say any one individual player (even Rodri) won us the treble is stupid. It’s a team game.

However, a player who started every single knockout phase game on the way to winning the club’s first champions league was obviously integral to the achievement.

To suggest otherwise is ludicrous and disrespectful.

I think Kaz was alluding to Eddie and Rodders winning us the CL.
It is indeed a team game but without those two we would not have won.

 

[kaz7]

I think Kaz was alluding to Eddie and Rodgers winning us the CL.
It is indeed a team game but without those two we would not have won.

Indeed , on the night eddie made the last min save and rodders scored the goal

 

[Luddite_Blue]

You keep repeating the trophies won but he didnt contribute to the 4th title , the others went again after winning the treble but he didnt have the drive and pep knows it , he demands they go for the title every year and all but him pushed themselves to the max , this season he has been bad again , he won the treble and that was enough for him

He played well in the treble year for some not all of it and to say he won us the cl is beyond stupid , i think rodders and eddie have a better claim

Getting the ball and playing for fouls is not on now, he should be driving forwards trying to make chances to score, the team is struggling and he as a more senior player should be stepping it up , he could fall over in the box for pens if he must do it but he never gets that far

He has no hunger so has to go

Bye

It's absurd to say he didn't contribute to the 4th title. He featured in 20 PL games and if he wasn't contributing then one of the greatest managers to have ever lived would have bombed him out like he did with Phillips and Cancelo.

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

It's absurd to say he didn't contribute to the 4th title. He featured in 20 PL games and if he wasn't contributing then one of the greatest managers to have ever lived would have bombed him out like he did with Phillips and Cancelo.

We tried to sell him in the summer. He'll be gone next summer at the latest.

 

[Luddite_Blue]

I didnt say rodders won us the treble , read better before jumping in . I also said that the posters assertion in another post that grealish won us the cl is stupid

The treble is a long time ago , grealish has been crap for eighteen months hence why prep makes barbed comments about him regularly

Where's any assertion that Grealish by himself won the CL?

 

[kaz7]

It's absurd to say he didn't contribute to the 4th title. He featured in 20 PL games and if he wasn't contributing then one of the greatest managers to have ever lived would have bombed him out like he did with Phillips and Cancelo.

What did he do in those twenty games ? No goals, no assists , lots of falling over rather than pushing on and making chances , pep will be getting rid in the summer , he is contributing nothing

 

[mcfcphil]

I think Kaz was alluding to Eddie and Rodders winning us the CL.
It is indeed a team game but without those two we would not have won.

I was alluding to CL as well as it’s part of the treble.

Grealish played every match on the way to winning it - which is the biggest achievement in the club’s history.

You can’t achieve something of that magnitude without every player contributing - especially one that was an ever-present during the crucial period.

Attempting to downplay Grealish’s role is an absolutely bizarre hill to die on.

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

I was alluding to CL as well as it’s part of the treble.

Grealish played every match on the way to winning it - which is the biggest achievement in the club’s history.

You can’t achieve something of that magnitude without every player contributing - especially one that was an ever-present during the crucial period.

Attempting to downplay Grealish’s role is an absolutely bizarre hill to die on.

His form since the treble year has fallen off a cliff. He just doesn’t seem interested in winning his first team place back, he looks lazy unfit and not interested.

Get rid ASAP.

 

[youngbob]

What did he do in those twenty games ? No goals, no assists , lots of falling over rather than pushing on and making chances , pep will be getting rid in the summer , he is contributing nothing

Scored the winner against Luton that stopped the rot before Christmas. You can't say he contributed nothing.