Southport attacker pleads guilty to murdering three girls | Sentenced to 52 years in prison

CTID1988 said:
news.sky.com

Southport attacker Axel Rudakubana pleads guilty to murdering three girls at dance class

The 18-year-old also admitted 10 counts of attempted murder, producing ricin and possessing an al Qaeda training manual on what was due to be the first day of his trial.
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Had an Al-Qaida training manual and has also been charged with producing ricin as a bio weapon, but we are still told the incident wasn't terror related. Ok.
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If it looks like a terrorist and smells like a terrorist, its a terrorist!

It's pretty irrelevant whether he was born here or was an immigrant, the terrible result of his actions are the same.

The authorities seemingly trying to somehow downplay play these horrendous crimes by not calling them terrorist related is frankly pretty poor. It makes a mockery of the judicial system.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
If it looks like a terrorist and smells like a terrorist, its a terrorist!

It's pretty irrelevant whether he was born here or was an immigrant, the terrible result of his actions are the same.

The authorities seemingly trying to somehow downplay play these horrendous crimes by not calling them terrorist related is frankly pretty poor. It makes a mockery of the judicial system.
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Whether you deem it a terrorist attack or not will not affect his sentencing, so not sure how you reach that conclusion.

The legal definition of terrorism has been shown twice already on the thread. That’s what the police and CPS use, not whether an attack was “terrifying” or not.

The bloke is going to prison for the rest of his life. Rightly.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
If it looks like a terrorist and smells like a terrorist, its a terrorist!

It's pretty irrelevant whether he was born here or was an immigrant, the terrible result of his actions are the same.

The authorities seemingly trying to somehow downplay play these horrendous crimes by not calling them terrorist related is frankly pretty poor. It makes a mockery of the judicial system.
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i would love to be able to see the original thread on this. I cant access but i said it would be terrorist related and the attacks were incessant. Poor kids and families.
 
Marklr said:
Right wingers will make it about race, immigration or religion. Shame.
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It's pretty clear that it's terrorist related with what they found at his house. But I'm not convinced it's anything to do with race religion or immigration. Sadly we have had similar awful attacks in the past such as at Dunblane, this just seems like another awful event by a person not fully in control of their mind.
 
With him being 17 at the time, will there be any chance of release and change of identity at any point in the future?

Like the James Bulger killers (for example)
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
If it looks like a terrorist and smells like a terrorist, its a terrorist!

It's pretty irrelevant whether he was born here or was an immigrant, the terrible result of his actions are the same.

The authorities seemingly trying to somehow downplay play these horrendous crimes by not calling them terrorist related is frankly pretty poor. It makes a mockery of the judicial system.
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The only reason the murders haven't been prosecuted as terrorist offences is that they don't meet the definition.

The suspect has now pleaded guilty to a terrorist offence - he is officially a terrorist.

What would be a mockery of a judicial system is inventing new laws whenever it suited.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Whether you deem it a terrorist attack or not will not affect his sentencing, so not sure how you reach that conclusion.

The legal definition of terrorism has been shown twice already on the thread. That’s what the police and CPS use, not whether an attack was “terrifying” or not.

The bloke is going to prison for the rest of his life. Rightly.
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Lol, so you don't think attacking a class of young children and their teacher is terrifying , but someone doing the same in Borough Market to adult's is?

We both know thats utter bullshit.
 
What a shame the victims didn't have time for someone to explain the legal definition of terrorism to them before they died. I'm sure it would have come as some comfort to them to know they were actually only being murdered.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Lol, so you don't think attacking a class of young children and their teacher is terrifying , but someone doing the same in Borough Market to adult's is?

We both know thats utter bullshit.
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Terrorism in legal terms is an act of violence carried out in the name of a political or religious ideology.

If some bloke ran amok in Borough Market without any form of religious or political motivation, that wouldn’t be classed as a terrorist act either.

Why does it even matter so much to people?
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Terrorism in legal terms is an act of violence carried out in the name of a political or religious ideology.

If some bloke ran amok in Borough Market without any form of religious or political motivation, that wouldn’t be classed as a terrorist act either.

Why does it even matter so much to people?
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Because it is manipulating the criminal judicial system for political ends. In this case I believe they have not classed this act as terrorist to try and downplay religious hatred and stop further right wing violence and trouble. I can see why they have done it, but it's clearly not correct.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Because it is manipulating the criminal judicial system for political ends. In this case I believe they have not classed this act as terrorist to try and downplay religious hatred and stop further right wing violence and trouble. I can see why they have done it, but it's clearly not correct.
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Unsurprisingly, I think that’s utter nonsense.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Terrorism in legal terms is an act of violence carried out in the name of a political or religious ideology.

If some bloke ran amok in Borough Market without any form of religious or political motivation, that wouldn’t be classed as a terrorist act either.

Why does it even matter so much to people?
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I think this matters to people because the police were saying its misinformation that he was a terrorist and going after people who said so online....
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Terrorism in legal terms is an act of violence carried out in the name of a political or religious ideology.

If some bloke ran amok in Borough Market without any form of religious or political motivation, that wouldn’t be classed as a terrorist act either.

Why does it even matter so much to people?
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Exactly. On a similar note, the likes of Sutcliffe, the Wests, and Brady and Hindley weren't classed as terrorists either. That didn't make their crimes any less horrific though.
 
Marklr said:
Someone started it with the usual crap of "liberals" will be blah blah blah.
The usual nonsense.
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It’s still premature anyway. We still don’t know the full facts. People love to jump to conclusions that fit with their prejudices.

The judge’s summing up in sentencing on Thursday will make things clearer.
 
SarleyV said:
I think this matters to people because the police were saying it’s misinformation that he was a terrorist and going after people who said so online....
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They’re still not suggesting it is an act of terrorism, so they’ve been pretty consistent.

Let’s wait for the summing up on Thursday.
 
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