10 | Jack Grealish - 2024/25

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Luddite_Blue said:
Back to the hysterical, hyperbolic reactions on this thread.

It's a team game and no one player is solely responsible or to blame for wins or defeats.

Although it's still a fact that Grealish signed and the treble was won and 4 in a row clinched and you cannot guarantee that would be the case if the £100m was spent elsewhere.
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Just a really weird train of thought. By your same logic, literally every single trophy winning squad we've had didnt have a single poor transfer in it because we couldnt guarantee we would have won without their involvement.

Mangala played 15 times in the centurions season, you cannot guarantee we would have been centurions had we not spent £42m on him. Mendy played 8 times in the same season, again you cannot guarantee we become centurions without £50m on him, so i take it that was £92m very well spent in your eyes?
 
BlueMoonRisin’ said:
Several times you've mentioned what he's won here, but you go on about it as though he was crucial to all we have won with him in the squad, he wasn't. He played a bit part in most of it except the treble season where we saw him play well for half a season or so.

You previously said him being involved in us winning the treble and 4 in a row saying the treble and 4 in a row were worth 100m each to justify his fee with a silly - "cheap at half the price" comment.

And your most straw clutching silly comment is - "Grealish signed for City for £100m, won a lot of free kicks, City won the treble and secured 4 league titles in a row". Lol. Since when has any club signed any player to win a lot of free fuckin' kicks?
What else has he done, how many goals and assists in 3 n' half seasons?

"And if Grealish is sold within the next 12 months, there will be a transfer fee"..... I certainly hope so but how much of a fee? His fee is falling weekly because he hardly does anything when he plays and clubs know we have enough left wingers to allow us to sell him so they'll low ball us. A couple of weeks back I said I think we'll do well to get 30m for him but I now think we'll accept closer to 20m.

And your last "better value signing" question didn't need asking but I'll answer it anyway. Grealish is our worst value signing I can think of. There's a reason why he's sat on the bench and not starting games. Pep has given up on him because he's a Jack of no trades and a master of none. And the stark truth is he's not good enough to be here next season and that's down to Jack himself.

And before you or any other berk dub me as a hater, I'm not. I go to games to encourage the team. When Grealish plays well he gets his song sung and I join in because I want him to hear it and inspire him to play well. But his as song doesn't get sung much these days, sadly.
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Every member of the squad was crucial to what was won and that's why one of the greatest managers of picked them. I don't understand this desperate need to diminish or denigrate any squad member from the treble/4 in a row.

In a team sport it's the balance of the team and the results that matter but you're obsessed with goals and assists. Why wasn't the CL won before Grealish signed when presumably your required number of goals and assists were available from the wide players?

Grealish is the only £100m player to win the CL at his new club and imo is clearly the most successful of the £100m players.

And to double down:

Will Mbappe's PSG team be being spoken about in Paris in 100 years time? I doubt it will very much.

The City Treble Winning and 4-In-A-Row will be being spoken about in Manchester and beyond in 100 years time. People on this thread just don't get the significance and enormity of this achievement when they are quibbling about £10/£15 million pounds extra in transfer fee.

I don't know nor care how much the Huddersfield team built by Herbert Chapman to win 3-In-A-Row cost (with Cecil Potter manager for the 3rd title) but I know its still revered nearly 100 years later.
 
ninjamonkey said:
Just a really weird train of thought. By your same logic, literally every single trophy winning squad we've had didnt have a single poor transfer in it because we couldnt guarantee we would have won without their involvement.

Mangala played 15 times in the centurions season, you cannot guarantee we would have been centurions had we not spent £42m on him. Mendy played 8 times in the same season, again you cannot guarantee we become centurions without £50m on him, so i take it that was £92m very well spent in your eyes?
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I'd make an exception for Mendy, but why is it a really weird train of thought?

I think it's a weird with a trophy winning squad looking to dig out certain players. Why is there this need for scapegoats?
 
Luddite_Blue said:
With Grealish signed and in the side the treble was won and 4 in a row was secured and that is a factual statement. And that isn't me saying Grealish won it all on his own as certain posters seem to want to twist. If instead player X was signed for the £100m then there is absolutely no guarantee that you can give that the treble and/or 4 in a row would be secured. Now there is an extremely small possibility that 3 CLs would had been won in those 3 seasons. But that does beg the question, why wasn't the CL won beforehand?

So if we now go back to August 2021 and whether I'd sign Grealish for £100m then the answer is every day of the week because that means the treble and 4 in a row are secured. If you'd choose not to use the benefit of hindsight and sign someone else for the £100m then to quote Jim Bowen, "Let's have a look at what we could have won"

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3 Premier Leagues, 1 Champions League, 1 FA Cup, 1 UEFA Super Cup and 1 FIFA Club World Cup
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"Super,Smashing,Great"!
Things were so much simpler then.
 
Luddite_Blue said:
With Grealish signed and in the side the treble was won and 4 in a row was secured and that is a factual statement. And that isn't me saying Grealish won it all on his own as certain posters seem to want to twist. If instead player X was signed for the £100m then there is absolutely no guarantee that you can give that the treble and/or 4 in a row would be secured. Now there is an extremely small possibility that 3 CLs would had been won in those 3 seasons. But that does beg the question, why wasn't the CL won beforehand?

So if we now go back to August 2021 and whether I'd sign Grealish for £100m then the answer is every day of the week because that means the treble and 4 in a row are secured. If you'd choose not to use the benefit of hindsight and sign someone else for the £100m then to quote Jim Bowen, "Let's have a look at what we could have won"

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3 Premier Leagues, 1 Champions League, 1 FA Cup, 1 UEFA Super Cup and 1 FIFA Club World Cup
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You repeating the same post every page is getting on my fucking wick. At this time i think you are just a troll wanting attention
 
Luddite_Blue said:
Every member of the squad was crucial to what was won and that's why one of the greatest managers of picked them. I don't understand this desperate need to diminish or denigrate any squad member from the treble/4 in a row.

In a team sport it's the balance of the team and the results that matter but you're obsessed with goals and assists. Why wasn't the CL won before Grealish signed when presumably your required number of goals and assists were available from the wide players?

Grealish is the only £100m player to win the CL at his new club and imo is clearly the most successful of the £100m players.

And to double down:

Will Mbappe's PSG team be being spoken about in Paris in 100 years time? I doubt it will very much.

The City Treble Winning and 4-In-A-Row will be being spoken about in Manchester and beyond in 100 years time. People on this thread just don't get the significance and enormity of this achievement when they are quibbling about £10/£15 million pounds extra in transfer fee.

I don't know nor care how much the Huddersfield team built by Herbert Chapman to win 3-In-A-Row cost (with Cecil Potter manager for the 3rd title) but I know its still revered nearly 100 years later.
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I find your posts quite hard to answer because you go off on a tangent to try and justify your thinking by your "weird train of thought". Lol. . Talk about wearing blue tinted specs. You see what you want to see and cannot see any fault in Grealish, it comes across as though you're besotted by him.

I don't have any desperate need to diminish or denigrate any squad member from the treble/4 in a row. All I'm doing is criticising Grealish because this thread is about him. If he's playing well I'll praise him(and I have) but time and time again he disappoints and frustrates me because he has so much more to give than we're seeing, so I criticise him.

And the rest of your post is irrelevant twaddle to try and justify (yet again) your desperate attempt to defend him and justify his fee his salary and what he brings to the team. When he's played this season(and much of last season) he hasn’t done much, that's why he's been a sub more than start. And I'm not obsessed with goals and assists, but they are very important, especially for a high profile player. A lot more important than him us winning us a shed load of free kicks, right?
 
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Luddite_Blue said:
I'd make an exception for Mendy, but why is it a really weird train of thought?

I think it's a weird with a trophy winning squad looking to dig out certain players. Why is there this need for scapegoats?
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Why the exception for Mendy? Your logic doesn't facilitate exceptions, he played a part in the centurion season, you cannot guarantee we would have achieved that without him, the same as anybody else.

It's weird because it's illogical. Treble winning Kalvin Phillips and treble winning Bernardo Silva both cost roughly the same and won the same trophies that season, your logic suggests both were equally worth the outlay because we have no way of guaranteeing the same outcome without the exact same players, when in reality that's simply not the case and one was infinitely more worthwhile than the other.

Grealish has been here approaching 4 years now, his return has been underwhelming if we are being generous, don't think he can be described as a scapegoat at this point but that's largely beside the point, my issue isn't with your views on grealish it's with the logic used, it's nonsensical.
 
ninjamonkey said:
Why the exception for Mendy? Your logic doesn't facilitate exceptions, he played a part in the centurion season, you cannot guarantee we would have achieved that without him, the same as anybody else.

It's weird because it's illogical. Treble winning Kalvin Phillips and treble winning Bernardo Silva both cost roughly the same and won the same trophies that season, your logic suggests both were equally worth the outlay because we have no way of guaranteeing the same outcome without the exact same players, when in reality that's simply not the case and one was infinitely more worthwhile than the other.

Grealish has been here approaching 4 years now, his return has been underwhelming if we are being generous, don't think he can be described as a scapegoat at this point but that's largely beside the point, my issue isn't with your views on grealish it's with the logic used, it's nonsensical.
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One could argue that with what he has won and the fact possibly the greatest manager of all time picked him endlessly for most of his time here then your logic is beyond nonsensical l.

You are in effect saying you know more about the value of an invidual to a football team than Pep Guardiola. Does that sound logical to you?
 
hilts said:
One could argue that with what he has won and the fact possibly the greatest manager of all time picked him endlessly for most of his time here then your logic is beyond nonsensical l.

You are in effect saying you know more about the value of an invidual to a football team than Pep Guardiola. Does that sound logical to you?
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What??? I know you're quoting me intentionally but it feels like you've quoted the wrong person, thats how little sense this makes.

I'm saying nothing remotely like that. Infact, I'm saying nothing at all. I'm simply applying the other posters logic to the other players in previous trophy winning squads to explain that his logic (not mine) doesn't stand up.
 
ninjamonkey said:
What??? I know you're quoting me intentionally but it feels like you've quoted the wrong person, thats how little sense this makes.

I'm saying nothing remotely like that. Infact, I'm saying nothing at all. I'm simply applying the other posters logic to the other players in previous trophy winning squads to explain that his logic (not mine) doesn't stand up.
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Grealish has been here approaching 4 years now, his return has been underwhelming if we are being generous.

Nonsensical logic.

Did you not type this?
 
hilts said:
Grealish has been here approaching 4 years now, his return has been underwhelming if we are being generous.

Nonsensical logic.

Did you not type this?
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That was a direct response to a specific part of the post I quoted as an aside to the to the general point I was discussing with them. I literally said it was beside the point directly afterwards.
 
ninjamonkey said:
That was a direct response to a specific part of the post I quoted as an aside to the to the general point I was discussing with them. I literally said it was beside the point directly afterwards.
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This is becoming too much like hard work:-) if you feel Grealish hasn't been underwhelming I take back my post, if you do then my point was pretty straightforward.
 
BlueMoonRisin’ said:
I find your posts quite hard to answer because you go off on a tangent to try and justify your thinking by your "weird train of thought". Lol. . Talk about wearing blue tinted specs. You see what you want to see and cannot see any fault in Grealish, it comes across as though you're besotted by him.

I don't have any desperate need to diminish or denigrate any squad member from the treble/4 in a row. All I'm doing is criticising Grealish because this thread is about him. If he's playing well I'll praise him(and I have) but time and time again he disappoints and frustrates me because he has so much more to give than we're seeing, so I criticise him.

And the rest of your post is irrelevant twaddle to try and justify (yet again) your desperate attempt to defend him and justify his fee his salary and what he brings to the team. When he's played this season(and much of last season) he hasn’t done much, that's why he's been a sub more than start. And I'm not obsessed with goals and assists, but they are very important, especially for a high profile player. A lot more important than him us winning us a shed load of free kicks, right?
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I think there could be real validity in this thread discussing Grealish's performances in 2024/25 season; the thread, though, descends into utter stupidity given what's been won, when posters feel the need to denigrate previous seasons performances.
 
Luddite_Blue said:
I think there could be real validity in this thread discussing Grealish's performances in 2024/25 season; the thread, though, descends into utter stupidity given what's been won, when posters feel the need to denigrate previous seasons performances.
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It should be about this season but you keep reminding us of how wonderful he's been on past glories of past seasons ; )

There's not too much to discuss about his performances this season though for several reasons but when Jack starts he should be busting a gut to start every game and be knackered and sweating when he comes off the pitch, but he isn't.

I don't know whether you go to games but when I watch him live I watch him on the ball and off the ball, something the cameras rarely focus on as they're mostly keeping up with the game. I've mentioned several times of him on the ball but off it he often goes into hiding on the touchline alienating himself from being involved.

I don't remember him being so isolated in previous seasons but this season it feels as though he doesn’t want the ball and be involved. Maybe it's because he's low on confidence and doesn’t want to make mistakes, but the mistake he most often makes is playing safe easy short passes sideways and backwards. Like I've previously said he frustrates me no end. He should be coming inside hunting for the ball and bombing forward like Doku and Savinho trying to cause havoc and make things happen, jinking in and out to either cross or cut inside to shoot or try and assist a goal. But he rarely does any of that. He mostly slows our attack down with his languid style by pondering on the ball too long till he's tackled.

I really thought the penny had dropped with him when I read pre season that he intended to get physically fit and mentally sharp but he hasn't kicked on from last season sadly, and time is running out fast for him at City.
 
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