It’s Quiet 20 - What is the Wirtz that could happen?

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Completely disagree. Luiz is a massive upgrade on what we are at the moment.

Villas engine last season and POTY, just because he hasn't settled in Italy (and been injured despite playing 53 games last season) means nothing - look at villas comparative drop off without him...


We have ZERO midfield, we have ZERO legs and we have players with incredible quality who are all unfortunately 2 years too old all at the same time.

Without even a stop gap midfield replacement, we are finishing 7/8th especially looking at our next 6 games. That's the reality, we need 2 midfielders with energy, Luiz is easily good enough to be one.
Beating what we have at the moment is not difficult but it’s not the answer.

Douglas Luiz is not a massive upgrade he is average at best..a panic buy just because Juve want rid so we can get him.

Energy would be nice but keeping the ball is much more important to me.
 
Joelinton, Tonali, Gumaraes cannot wait to have a go at our midfield in few weeks time. guess Rice, Partey, Odegaard will fancy themselves too not mentioning Liverpool midfield full of energy and running and workrate.

lets think with their head a bit, last thing they want is us getting two midfielders in who bring some energy and workrate and basic thing like running...

I wish we could go up vs Fabinho, Henderson, Milner midfield in 3 weeks time vs Liverpool if they could quickly sign them back...
 
Beating what we have at the moment is not difficult but it’s not the answer.

Douglas Luiz is not a massive upgrade he is average at best..a panic buy just because Juve want rid so we can get him.

Energy would be nice but keeping the ball is much more important to me.
What’s wrong with luiz
 
The whole build up from the back into midfield is broken.

One player won’t be enough. Full overhaul needed on the psg game.

We can’t keep the ball at all. No playing composed passes and recycling the ball. Players not making themselves available to play in triangles.

We need to evolve into a team to suit Haaland. Otherwise return to false 9.

The rot is more than I thought. Rodders only highlighted it.
 
The whole build up from the back into midfield is broken.

One player won’t be enough. Full overhaul needed on the psg game.

We can’t keep the ball at all. No playing composed passes and recycling the ball. Players not making themselves available to play in triangles.

We need to evolve into a team to suit Haaland. Otherwise return to false 9.

The rot is more than I thought. Rodders only highlighted it.
We’re probably not going to drop Haaland a week after he signs a 10 year extension.

You’re right that his play means we need to adapt, but he’s shown signs that he is adapting to build up more and has started dropping deeper and running with the ball.

We can be successful with him. We won the treble in his first season.

We just need legs and a refresh.
 
What’s wrong with luiz
Ask Juve. He gives the ball away and doesn’t have the positional intelligence for us.

My opinion from what I’ve seen. We could do better.

Joao Neves ripped us to bits tonight. That’s the sort of player we need. If we can’t get one…wait.
 
We’re probably not going to drop Haaland a week after he signs a 10 year extension.

You’re right that his play means we need to adapt, but he’s shown signs that he is adapting to build up more and has started dropping deeper and running with the ball.

We can be successful with him. We won the treble in his first season.

We just need legs and a refresh.
The standard of ball players is atrocious. Forget rodders for a min.

This team can’t pass the ball under any sort of pressure.

Pep said as much himself. Keeping the ball used to be the start of our defence. Throw in no press and it’s a fucking mess.

Get me some proper ball players.

We have moved too far away from David silva, nasri type player to far too many dribblers who can’t keep the ball and don’t have any impact on the game apart from getting pushed about by physically stronger opponents.
 
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The standard of ball players is atrocious. Forget rodders for a min.

This team can’t pass the ball under any sort of pressure.

Pep said as much himself. Keeping the ball used to be the start if our defence. Throw in no press and it’s a fucking mess.

Get me some proper ball players.
A lot of that is confidence though.

We were shite for 20 mins against Ipswich, but then found an Avenue of weakness, exploited it and quickly went 3 up. The passing then was like it used to be.

Sure it was only Ipswich, but I think a lot of brains are fried and when you don’t understand why you aren’t winning, you start to feel tired and scared.

We need a couple of new faces to boost morale, legs and confidence.

We need to be doing tons of rondos in training. Get back to that snappy passing and pressing the ball like monsters.
 
I love signing players for the future but the players we have signed will not turn the issues we witnessed last night around.
I would rather sign nobody in the midfield if they are not going to be the right fit and what we need.
We do not want another Nunes or Phillips being signed because they simply aren't good enough.
Personally I would love Baleba
 
The standard of ball players is atrocious. Forget rodders for a min.

This team can’t pass the ball under any sort of pressure.

Pep said as much himself. Keeping the ball used to be the start of our defence. Throw in no press and it’s a fucking mess.

Get me some proper ball players.

We have moved too far away from David silva, nasri type player to far too many dribblers who can’t keep the ball and don’t have any impact on the game apart from getting pushed about by physically stronger opponents.
getting pushed about by physically stronger opponents.
I liked this part and also midfield leave too much space to their opponent. No quick pressing is seen. Everyone wants the ball. And if they get also loose the ball more often than before. No one wants to defend.
 
We need someone who Like Rodri knows where to stand/ move when the other team are in possession, simply tick the ball along and not half heartedly chase after it like a headless fuckin chicken. It’s that simple. Rodri isn’t particularly fast yet you never see him chase after anyone nor is he sliding about (not that the current midfielder do that) because his positioning is so fucking good he breaks up angles for the other team.

We’re constantly getting run through in midfield as no fucker has the intelligence of where to be when we’re defending. Look at Barry for example nowhere near rodri standard but the bloke did 100 metres in 30 seconds yet his positioning and his sense and reading of the game was unbelievable.
Very difficult to find that player specially in january.
 
Bracola first goal was a perfect embodiment of what we need in this squad.

While he was running towards the goal I saw Kovacic and Nunes running behind him and were clearly outpaced. Then he met the CB which was easily dispatched and then comes the cutback and goal.

In prime Pep’s team, there was Rodri instead of Kovacic closing him and ready to commit a tactical file. A fullback like Walker going side by side instead of a half cooked Nunes and at CB we had Dias or Stones ready to tackle before Bracola gets a chance to cut in.

And don’t forget a prime KDB or BSilva tracking back and getting the ball if all of the above contingencies failed.

So a good 4-5 new players who can run and we may not have conceded those goals.
A fullback A CB ( we got two now) a CDM ( we need two and have zero) and another Bsilva or KDB to track back and help the team.

Because of the misses in the last few windows - that’s another 300-400 million spends from the look of it.
Because the new KDB if it exists would cost a north of 120 million atleast ( read Wired or Musiala).
 
Very difficult to find that player specially in january.
We need a midfield destroyer who can take control of the game and patrol he centre circle and stop runs before they hit our defence . David batty had this down to an art . Not every player needs to be messi in the ball .
 
we would have been charged far more, Mendes has clients going the other way in that deal
Plus, who says we Could have 'picked him up' or that we 'passed on him' or any other stuff like that that people say, like we have a given right to just help ourselves to every player out there.
 
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Ask Juve. He gives the ball away and doesn’t have the positional intelligence for us.

My opinion from what I’ve seen. We could do better.

Joao Neves ripped us to bits tonight. That’s the sort of player we need. If we can’t get one…wait.
People are expecting the Luiz of last year's Villa. But they played a completely different game, he was surrounded by a different type of player, and the lot of them had real pace, freedom to just bomb forward whenever they got the ball, and hunger from defying expectations.

He would be coming to a much slower team that keeps(and loses) the ball a lot, and builds up play, and I think we would likely see more the Luiz at Juventus (the one they want rid of) than the Villa one people saw on MoTD.

I'd still take him, given where we are. But only on a loan, not with a permanent deal thereafter which by all accounts is the only way he would arrive.
 
I’m a bit of a broken record on this but Kimmich would be a great signing for us as DM this season and rotating next with Rodri

Imo he’s exactly what we don’t need. Not a specialist lone 6. Pushing 30. Would be huge wages on a free and same if we got him now. No thanks, we need energy as well as quality in that midfield and we need to start again not put a plaster on.
 
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