President Trump

KS55 said:
I’m not sure what they believed or not. So they certainly liked the nonsense of deportation raids but the pardoning has gone down very badly; one poll shows two thirds opposed. The police have come out strongly.
The DC bench have, to a man, condemned it and that includes a large number of judges appointed by Trump or Bush. Even a few Republicans have condemned it but many who opposed the idea of freeing the violent ones have now done a volte facie.
He now has the churches speaking out against him.
Like everything else with this charlatan, only history will really get to grips with him.
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This. Is. Exactly. What. They. Voted. For.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I think you make some perfectly valid points, and it’s absolutely correct to say that ‘the West’ is in crisis, broadly existential, which is ultimately down to its decline, which is most likely irreversible. You have previously articulated this, and articulated it well. I accept Trump is a symptom of all that, and that it is understandable that people are going to look for alternatives, and sometimes severe ones, to the status quo when they do not like the direction their society is heading.

But none of the above militates against what a horrible, spiteful, graceless, vengeful **** he is, who is actually going to make the situation worse, not better. And people are entitled (and should be expected to) comment on that.

Just because sacking Alan Ball was the right thing to do, it didn’t make appointing Frank Clarke the solution.
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This is how all political debate should be narrated down to levels that we can all appreciate.......... :-)
 
bluejon said:
Surely the fact that the message of Jesus is meant to be one of compassion and understanding means that she was merely repeating the tenets of the religion that she was dressed up to represent, in a church that is in the name of that religion? I'm not religious at all, and I agree with a significant amount of your comments on the liberal left and how it has completely disappeared up its own collective arse, but this was a sermon. Calling it political misses the point of what Christianity is supposed to represent. Was she supposed to completely ignore the primary message of the religion she represents just to make Trump happy? That would then be political, she didn't do that.
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Enough already.

The Rt. Rev. Mariann Budde....

"In the name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now. There are gay, lesbian and transgender children in Democratic, Republican and independent families, some who fear for their lives."

Bude is a Episcopalian....

"The Episcopal Church has a fully inclusive attitude towards the LGBTQ community, allowing same-sex marriage and affirming LGBTQ individuals as full members of the church, with the ability to be ordained as clergy; this stance is considered one of the most progressive among Christian denominations regarding LGBTQ issues."

Her statement was not "in the name of God" as there are many less "progressive" denominations who disagree, this was clearly a political statement, policy not divinity. And that reference to fear for their lives comes from the controversial pyramid of hate theory, sometimes referred to as the hierarchy of hate...

"The Pyramid of Hate, sometimes known as the Pyramid of Violence or the Pyramid of Racism, contains five levels. These levels begin with a mental bias and show the subsequent steps towards violence and genocide. These steps, in order, are bias, individual acts of prejudice, discrimination, violence, and genocide."

You'll not find "The Pyramid of Hate" in scripture, you'll not find trans ideology or queer theory either, they're political beliefs, you might believe them, you might not, but either way you'll struggle to find the hand of god. In my opinion invoking god was the most political thing she did.
 
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gordondaviesmoustache said:
This is exactly what they voted for.
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That unfortunately is the most scary part from the outside looking in.
You can argue internally to your hearts content about who is thick and who is naive, but the scariest thought is that people knew exactly what he stood for and totally endorse what is to come. The worst of which hasn’t scratched the surface yet, I would bet.

The world is a dangerous place and events in America don’t in any way calm my nerves as to what the plans for a new world order may be.

One thought re: his penchant for renaming the geography of the world. Start at home. Rename the USA. Remove the ‘United’. Simply ‘The State of America’ would do.
 
Bazzmand Show said:
Yeah I agree, I think the fact that the media appears terrified of him as well at the momentspeaks volumes and the fact he was able to 'demand' an apology from a bishop for the most milk toast pleads for mercy.

A lot of people aren't going to put up with this for 4 years imo.
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Civil War?
 
Seehe has been speaking at a WEF event today.

Is he one of the WEF puppets that I hear so much about from those of right leaning persuasion?
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
It’s actually a sign of his narcissism that he thinks that getting to vote of 51% of the electorate is an overwhelming mandate and gives him carte blanche to completely ignore the 49%. I don’t mean in terms of policy, which is the way it is, but in terms of rhetoric and actions that aren’t about policy, but rather grace and favour and sowing further division, which he plainly thrives on.

I could go in about buyer’s remorse but the signs were there for all to see, so no one can say they weren’t warned as they absolutely were.
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"Government of the people, by the people, for the people".

That Lincoln fecker was so overrated. Not a great patriot at all.
They should go back to preCivil War values.
 
The perfect fumble said:
The liberal left has lost its shit in here.

A Bishop makes a political speech and heads explode if you state that simple fact. And why? Coz so many people in here believe her, but more than that they believe she was speaking to an absolute and irrevocable truth! But she wasn't, she spoke to a belief system so hard wired amongst liberal/progressives that the idea that someone might say no is an anathema. Well hello! millions have just said no, liberals may not like it, I may not like it, but it is a fact.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I want to live in a world where you can say no, a world where you can say I do not agree.

I've already made reference to aspects of the speech that were clearly political that no one has bothered to refute, but I'm not surprised. Everywhere the left has done the same in the face of a right wing surge. In the States the laughingly self titled hard left is engaged in a purity test, anyone seeking dialogue with the Trumpian devils is a sell out, and the corporate democrats are simply confused, their donors don't call any more. The only thing that unites them is they despise those that voted for Trump and and happily engage 24/7 in disparaging them.

In the UK Labour is in government, but the feeling is it's not in power, the zeitgeist is moving right, it just doesn't have a home yet. The left despise Starmer and f**k around playing purity games so beloved by the likes of Owen Jones, meanwhile in Whitehall the Blairites around Starmer look lost.

Everywhere social democracy is in a crisis, the old tricks don't work, you know, economically conservative, socially liberal. Well that economic conservatism hasn't delivered on jobs, homes and inflation, and as social democrats are supposed to deliver these things for their traditional blue collar voters, they've had to knit together a more fragile electoral base that has increasingly tilted to a patchwork quilt of minorities. Then along comes a charlatan, points at those minorities, tells those blue collar workers they're to blame and bingo! You've bought yourself a massive constituency!

The minorities are not to blame, but they do use their leverage in the new Social Democratic base to extract concessions, they become interest groups, very powerful interest groups and in the blink of an eye there's a whole raft of initiatives that we all must pay lip service to, yet almost no one believes.

But the moral of this story is not persecuted minorities, its the downtrodden masses, you know? The ones most folk in here seem to hate, you know, the ones who in large numbers voted Trump.
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Bishop of Washington urges President Trump to have mercy……..
The Bitch!
 
The perfect fumble said:
Enough already.

The Rt. Rev. Mariann Budde....

"In the name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now. There are gay, lesbian and transgender children in Democratic, Republican and independent families, some who fear for their lives."

Bude is a Episcopalian....

"The Episcopal Church has a fully inclusive attitude towards the LGBTQ community, allowing same-sex marriage and affirming LGBTQ individuals as full members of the church, with the ability to be ordained as clergy; this stance is considered one of the most progressive among Christian denominations regarding LGBTQ issues."

Her statement was not "in the name of God" as there are many less "progressive" denominations who disagree, this was clearly a political statement, policy not divinity. And that reference to fear for their lives comes from the controversial pyramid of hate theory, sometimes referred to as the hierarchy of hate...

"The Pyramid of Hate, sometimes known as the Pyramid of Violence or the Pyramid of Racism, contains five levels. These levels begin with a mental bias and show the subsequent steps towards violence and genocide. These steps, in order, are bias, individual acts of prejudice, discrimination, violence, and genocide."

You'll not find "The Pyramid of Hate" in scripture, you'll not find trans ideology or queer theory either, they're political beliefs, you might believe them, you might not, but either way you'll struggle to find the hand of god. In my opinion invoking god was the most political she did.
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She is a priest, it is her job to invoke whatever god she is invoking, and if that is from the scriptures that she represents, then again, it is just her doing her job. It would be like a group of us holding a meeting at Old Trafford, getting Brian Robson to run the meeting, and then kicking off that he kept banging on about united. I don't understand how you can't see this really simple point. She was not being political. If they didn't want a priest talking about the general stuff priests go on about, they should have held the service in a McDonalds. Would have suited the audience more for a start.
 
bluejon said:
She is a priest, it is her job to invoke whatever god she is invoking, and if that is from the scriptures that she represents, then again, it is just her doing her job. It would be like a group of us holding a meeting at Old Trafford, getting Brian Robson to run the meeting, and then kicking off that he kept banging on about united. I don't understand how you can't see this really simple point. She was not being political. If they didn't want a priest talking about the general stuff priests go on about, they should have held the service in a McDonalds. Would have suited the audience more for a start.
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Heard Robson on 5Live the other day. He is one seriously brain dead ****.
 
bluejon said:
She is a priest, it is her job to invoke whatever god she is invoking, and if that is from the scriptures that she represents, then again, it is just her doing her job. It would be like a group of us holding a meeting at Old Trafford, getting Brian Robson to run the meeting, and then kicking off that he kept banging on about united. I don't understand how you can't see this really simple point. She was not being political. If they didn't want a priest talking about the general stuff priests go on about, they should have held the service in a McDonalds. Would have suited the audience more for a start.
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Lord have mercy on your soul...

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Maybe you should ask this guy about the word of god.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Lord have mercy on your soul...

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Maybe you should ask this guy about the word of god.
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I don't believe in god, but if i went to a service he was giving i wouldn't start calling it political and start crying if he started ranting about the right wing christian bat shitness he tends to sell, i would consider myself a dickhead for going to his church.
 
The perfect fumble said:
The liberal left has lost its shit in here.

A Bishop makes a political speech and heads explode if you state that simple fact. And why? Coz so many people in here believe her, but more than that they believe she was speaking to an absolute and irrevocable truth! But she wasn't, she spoke to a belief system so hard wired amongst liberal/progressives that the idea that someone might say no is an anathema. Well hello! millions have just said no, liberals may not like it, I may not like it, but it is a fact.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I want to live in a world where you can say no, a world where you can say I do not agree.

I've already made reference to aspects of the speech that were clearly political that no one has bothered to refute, but I'm not surprised. Everywhere the left has done the same in the face of a right wing surge. In the States the laughingly self titled hard left is engaged in a purity test, anyone seeking dialogue with the Trumpian devils is a sell out, and the corporate democrats are simply confused, their donors don't call any more. The only thing that unites them is they despise those that voted for Trump and and happily engage 24/7 in disparaging them.

In the UK Labour is in government, but the feeling is it's not in power, the zeitgeist is moving right, it just doesn't have a home yet. The left despise Starmer and f**k around playing purity games so beloved by the likes of Owen Jones, meanwhile in Whitehall the Blairites around Starmer look lost.

Everywhere social democracy is in a crisis, the old tricks don't work, you know, economically conservative, socially liberal. Well that economic conservatism hasn't delivered on jobs, homes and inflation, and as social democrats are supposed to deliver these things for their traditional blue collar voters, they've had to knit together a more fragile electoral base that has increasingly tilted to a patchwork quilt of minorities. Then along comes a charlatan, points at those minorities, tells those blue collar workers they're to blame and bingo! You've bought yourself a massive constituency!

The minorities are not to blame, but they do use their leverage in the new Social Democratic base to extract concessions, they become interest groups, very powerful interest groups and in the blink of an eye there's a whole raft of initiatives that we all must pay lip service to, yet almost no one believes.

But the moral of this story is not persecuted minorities, its the downtrodden masses, you know? The ones most folk in here seem to hate, you know, the ones who in large numbers voted Trump.
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You do live in a world where you can say you do not agree.

The problem is that in the old days you said it to one person or a group of people.

Now you say it to people all at once everywhere.

And some of those people are smarter than you. And also dumber than you. And have different experiences than you do. And some of them whether dumber or smarter, know more about whatever topic at hand you're discussing.

Some people have a hard time dealing with criticism from those groups, which they wouldn't have received before from a small audience, and is easier to offer anonymously and not in person -- a fact which many, many, many people exploit.

Don't feel bad. We all have that problem.

I have other things to say on this post, but since you don't bother responding to my other posts (I note you often don't respond to posts, you just post -- maybe you don't want a dialogue, just a platform), I won't bother.
 
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The perfect fumble said:
Enough already.

The Rt. Rev. Mariann Budde....

"In the name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now. There are gay, lesbian and transgender children in Democratic, Republican and independent families, some who fear for their lives."

Bude is a Episcopalian....

"The Episcopal Church has a fully inclusive attitude towards the LGBTQ community, allowing same-sex marriage and affirming LGBTQ individuals as full members of the church, with the ability to be ordained as clergy; this stance is considered one of the most progressive among Christian denominations regarding LGBTQ issues."

Her statement was not "in the name of God" as there are many less "progressive" denominations who disagree, this was clearly a political statement, policy not divinity. And that reference to fear for their lives comes from the controversial pyramid of hate theory, sometimes referred to as the hierarchy of hate...

"The Pyramid of Hate, sometimes known as the Pyramid of Violence or the Pyramid of Racism, contains five levels. These levels begin with a mental bias and show the subsequent steps towards violence and genocide. These steps, in order, are bias, individual acts of prejudice, discrimination, violence, and genocide."

You'll not find "The Pyramid of Hate" in scripture, you'll not find trans ideology or queer theory either, they're political beliefs, you might believe them, you might not, but either way you'll struggle to find the hand of god. In my opinion invoking god was the most political she did.
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You clearly don’t understand religion. Who, for example says religion has to be non political? Organised religion is perhaps the most political activity known to man. Always has been, always will be. They are not separate pursuits.
‘An argument about how society should be organised and on what principles.’
Is that politics or religion?
 
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