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A felon pardoning fellow felons. Who would have thought that could happen?
Oh yeh, the elected felon who said he would do exactly that.
Now the F.O.P isn't happy AFTER endorsing him.

The main question is why the Police should ever get involved with endorsing any candidate/Party?
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
I do wonder where we are aligned with America? Apart from the rich, I can’t see where we have a common understanding.
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I'd ask where you see points of distinction? Was there widespread anti-immigrant rioting in the US this summer? Was Boris Johnson different in character from Trump? Etc.
 
fulabeer said:
A felon pardoning fellow felons. Who would have thought that could happen?
Oh yeh, the elected felon who said he would do exactly that.
Now the F.O.P isn't happy AFTER endorsing him.

The main question is why the Police should ever get involved with endorsing any candidate/Party?
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Nothing new. The yanks are just a bunch of gangsters.
 
WT86 said:
I'd ask where you see points of distinction? Was there widespread anti-immigrant rioting in the US this summer? Was Boris Johnson different in character from Trump? Etc.
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Yeh frighteningly we have been more aligned to the US in recent times.

As an apparent ally with a 'special relationship ' (whatever the heaven that means?), we should be in prime position to point out issues that we feel are counter-productive.

The one that sticks in my my mind is the anti-abortion stuff.

Not that the US should try to be more like us or change their view purely because of us, but we should be much more brave in challenging their views and dare I say authority because it's the right thing to do.

We shouldn't be led by the U.S in our approach or thinking as a country..........
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
But they’re getting exactly what they wished for.
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Sadly, that's life under Trump I'm afraid.

Trump is and always was a vindictive narcissist. The warning signs were there from the beginning. He's conniving, manipulative and hasn't a shred of empathy. He lies and cheats at everything. He will no doubt be getting pleasure from the pain of all those people who were affected by the violence of Jan 6. It's a huge slap in the face for those people who were willing to stand up and protect the Capitol buildings, and Trump is reveling in it.

Sometimes the moral high ground isn't enough when you have weak men and women unwilling to stand up to a bully. Years of normalising his behaviour by those weak-willed people have created a monster who now has at least 4 years of hate and revenge to dish out.
 
Do you know those people who keep trying to point out that things are mad, way after they have been normalised? Feel like that with Presidential pardoning

It is absolutely insane that its standard procedure for a President to pardon thousands of people. This should not be seen as normal by anybody who believes in the integrity of the justice system.
 
Damocles said:
Do you know those people who keep trying to point out that things are mad, way after they have been normalised? Feel like that with Presidential pardoning

It is absolutely insane that its standard procedure for a President to pardon thousands of people. This should not be seen as normal by anybody who believes in the integrity of the justice system.
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What is mad is that the reason Biden dished out all those pardons in his last hours is being fully justified by Trump's rhetoric on a potential investigation and prosecution of Biden himself.

"They investigated us (for actual crimes) so we're gonna investigate them (for some made up bullshit), and we'll see how they like it".
 
Onholiday(somemightsay) said:
Yeh frighteningly we have been more aligned to the US in recent times.

As an apparent ally with a 'special relationship ' (whatever the heaven that means?), we should be in prime position to point out issues that we feel are counter-productive.

The one that sticks in my my mind is the anti-abortion stuff.

Not that the US should try to be more like us or change their view purely because of us, but we should be much more brave in challenging their views and dare I say authority because it's the right thing to do.

We shouldn't be led by the U.S in our approach or thinking as a country..........
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I agree in theory, but on the other hand it's normal diplomatic procedure to keep quiet on an ally's domestic affairs. E.g., there wasn't much foreign comment on the abortion laws in Ireland, despite the law being very backward (in my view) until recently. Abortion is also mostly a state law issue in the US rather than a national issue, so you'd have to make clear that you're pushing back at Alabama or whatever rather than NY, where the law is slightly more liberal than in the UK. It's awkward for a foreign leader to thread that needle.

Where I would like to see the UK push back is on stupidity like annexing Greenland and other behavior that threatens or unsettles our allies. Even if it's only "trolling" it damages the western alliance and that's absolutely the UK's business.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
What is mad is that the reason Biden dished out all those pardons in his last hours is being fully justified by Trump's rhetoric on a potential investigation and prosecution of Biden himself.

"They investigated us (for actual crimes) so we're gonna investigate them (for some made up bullshit), and we'll see how they like it".
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I suppose the problem with this is that the bits in brackets buried within the "quote" were not said - just what you think.

Fundamentally I don't disagree, but making free get out of jail cards for your mates is still dodgy whoever does it.
 
Just watched the ICE in action getting hold of gang members etc, tbh the list of stuff they had done they shouldn’t be walking the streets but they are in sanctuary states/cities, so I looked that up, it’s ridiculous that they’ve got into that situation, basically very violent criminals have taken the piss there. I tend to agree with this policy with these types, if they are known and have red notices on them I wouldn’t want them in my country, if your a wanted rapist in your home country you dint have any rights in the USA and back you go.
 
WT86 said:
I agree in theory, but on the other hand it's normal diplomatic procedure to keep quiet on an ally's domestic affairs. E.g., there wasn't much foreign comment on the abortion laws in Ireland, despite the law being very backward (in my view) until recently. Abortion is also mostly a state law issue in the US rather than a national issue, so you'd have to make clear that you're pushing back at Alabama or whatever rather than NY, where the law is slightly more liberal than in the UK. It's awkward for a foreign leader to thread that needle.

Where I would like to see the UK push back is on stupidity like annexing Greenland and other behavior that threatens or unsettles our allies. Even if it's only "trolling" it damages the western alliance and that's absolutely the UK's business.
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Ireland a fair comparison - in one respect, I feel we should still be voicing that opinion openly, at the same time, we've impos more than enough on that lovely country so should leave them alone :-)

Take your point on the state element but that seems to be an issue that's SHOuLD be dealt with at a federal / government level as a woman's right to choose how to look after her body, shouldn't be dictated to her by state lines imho.

Wouldn't make sense to me if it was OK for abortion in London and not so in the rest of the UK or similar.

Think I mentioned on another thread that we should have spoken out on the Greenland / Mexico / Canada bollocks that he is talking - shouldn't be allowed to just continuously destabilise regions as negotiation tactics.

The female Canadian MP that called him out was superb............
 
Onholiday(somemightsay) said:
Ireland a fair comparison - in one respect, I feel we should still be voicing that opinion openly, at the same time, we've impos more than enough on that lovely country so should leave them alone :-)

Take your point on the state element but that seems to be an issue that's SHOuLD be dealt with at a federal / government level as a woman's right to choose how to look after her body, shouldn't be dictated to her by state lines imho.

Wouldn't make sense to me if it was OK for abortion in London and not so in the rest of the UK or similar.

Think I mentioned on another thread that we should have spoken out on the Greenland / Mexico / Canada bollocks that he is talking - shouldn't be allowed to just continuously destabilise regions as negotiation tactics.

The female Canadian MP that called him out was superb............
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the Canadian was the head of a smallish party (the Greens). She can say what she wants, as could Ed Davey or Stephen Flynn.

It's pretty obvious that Starmer won't say anything unless he really needs to as it'll just turn Trump's madness against him and the UK. I think he's right to avoid commenting, there's nothing to gain and lots to lose.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
the Canadian was the head of a smallish party (the Greens). She can say what she wants, as could Ed Davey or Stephen Flynn.

It's pretty obvious that Starmer won't say anything unless he really needs to as it'll just turn Trump's madness against him and the UK. I think he's right to avoid commenting, there's nothing to gain and lots to lose.
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Yeh probably is easier from a lower down position.

Slightly disagree on Starmer staying quiet (although that is his default position on most things) - yes it will test our relationship with the US but I believe he stands to grow in stature and political gain with the UK and rest of Europe etc...........
 
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