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False consciousness is a cold comfort.
Perhaps so. I'm a huge believer in capitalism, nonetheless. What's amiss is that capitalism in the USA is vastly under-regulated, leading to many problems, chief among which, is the huge proportion of wealth that sees the top 1% of individuals hold 30% of the nation's wealth.
 
Perhaps so. I'm a huge believer in capitalism, nonetheless. What's amiss is that capitalism in the USA is vastly under-regulated, leading to many problems, chief among which, is the huge proportion of wealth that sees the top 1% of individuals hold 30% of the nation's wealth.

Majority would agree with you both there and over here but what exactly changes when you vote Democrats in or we vote Labour in?

Nothing is the answer. The rich just keep on getting richer regardless.

Why that’s led to a scenario of hatred towards anyone who doesn’t agree 100% with you on everything I have no idea but here we are, 2025 and social media platforms with political discussion like this is now pure poison with no real debate, just echo chambers where dissenting voices are screamed at and abused and that works both ways, left and right both the same.
 
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Perhaps so. I'm a huge believer in capitalism, nonetheless. What's amiss is that capitalism in the USA is vastly under-regulated, leading to many problems, chief among which, is the huge proportion of wealth that sees the top 1% of individuals hold 30% of the nation's wealth.
And by any objective analysis things will get worse under Trump.

On the flip side would things have gotten appreciably better under Harris? I'm not talking more crumbs off the table, I'm talking about the 1% and the 99%.

We both know the answer to that question and it goes a long way to explaining why she lost.
 
And by any objective analysis things will get worse under Trump.

On the flip side would things have gotten appreciably better under Harris? I'm not talking more crumbs off the table, I'm talking about the 1% and the 99%.

We both know the answer to that question and it goes a long way to explaining why she lost.
Spoiling for another silly hypothetical argument, which you always “win” because America isn’t ever going to elect the ideology you want writ large so you can always claim things would be better if people would only listen to you.
 
And by any objective analysis things will get worse under Trump.

On the flip side would things have gotten appreciably better under Harris? I'm not talking more crumbs off the table, I'm talking about the 1% and the 99%.

We both know the answer to that question and it goes a long way to explaining why she lost.
And therein lies the problem. Starmer will fall victim to the same self imposed nonsense when people realise that they’re no better off under him than they were under May/Johnson/Sunak.
That will, in turn, possibly open the door to Farage and there’ll be a collective wonderment about how it happened……
 
Perhaps so. I'm a huge believer in capitalism, nonetheless. What's amiss is that capitalism in the USA is vastly under-regulated, leading to many problems, chief among which, is the huge proportion of wealth that sees the top 1% of individuals hold 30% of the nation's wealth.
But surely, lack of regulation is what capitalism is all about. Free market economy and the strongest take the spoils
 
Cheers. As a Yank I've no insight into the BBC.

From my perspective, though, the BBC's news broadcasts are fair, and unbiased - albeit I've watched none of their sports coverage.
A lot is fair but the relatively new Director General has castigated them quite a lot for being unbalanced/biassed. He has clearly not been happy with much that he has seen.I think it is a constant battle inside the Beeb to ensure they are on the straight and narrow. We pay for it and deserve fair dealing. I applaud the D.G. for his efforts.
 
And therein lies the problem. Starmer will fall victim to the same self imposed nonsense when people realise that they’re no better off under him than they were under May/Johnson/Sunak.
That will, in turn, possibly open the door to Farage and there’ll be a collective wonderment about how it happened……

All things are possible in a world where truth, logic, material reality let alone political reality no longer apply. That's the world Farage operates in, it's the world Trump governs in and eventually he'll be found out, it's inevitable, lies can only keep the real world at bay for so long.

In the UK Starmer has bet the house on growth and regardless of what you think of him, he knows that Labour will sink or swim on whether the mass of the British people are better off, and feel better off at the end of his five years. But it's a small c conservative approach, there'll be no top down re-distributive legislation, no radical taxes, no major change in the ownership of the means of production, or even the utilities. No it'll be....

"A rising tide lifts all boats"

Is an aphorism associated with the idea that an improved economy will benefit all participants and that economic policy, particularly government economic policy, should therefore focus on broad economic efforts.

Meaning as you were only on steroids.

FogbueInSanFran says I have a grand ideology and everything would be great if only they'd listen to me, but he's talking out of his arse and he knows it, I don't have anything of the sort and have never pretended otherwise. I do know that Trump is peddling pro establishment lies and nonsense and will be found out by all but the dumbest of his supporters, and I do believe Harris was selling more palatable nonsense but wouldn't have addressed the fundamental structural problems in American society or her economy.

Trump is such a ghastly human being on so many levels, incompetent, lazy, venal, immoral, it's a struggle to think of a single redeeming feature in the man, he's a fucking disaster for his people and the world, just how bad remains to be seen. But the left (in its broadest sense) does not get a free pass on this, this man defeated them twice! And their grand answer? Blame the electorate! If they're right and for their own sake they better hope they're not, they're fucked as a governing power for the foreseeable.

But the world has been here before.

What is happening in the USA has happened to all the great powers at some point, the reasons for the USA's meteoric rise in the 20th Century no longer apply in the same way in the 21st. At the end of this century I'd bet the house that the USA will still be a great power, probably the greatest, what she won't be is what she is today pre-eminent.
 
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And by any objective analysis things will get worse under Trump.

On the flip side would things have gotten appreciably better under Harris? I'm not talking more crumbs off the table, I'm talking about the 1% and the 99%.

We both know the answer to that question and it goes a long way to explaining why she lost.

Spoiling for another silly hypothetical argument, which you always “win” because America isn’t ever going to elect the ideology you want writ large so you can always claim things would be better if people would only listen to you.

It is hypothetical to imagine what a Harris presidency would have looked like, for the simple reason we'll never know, but from what she said and did during the campaign there was no indication it would have been radically different from Obama/Biden, if you think I'm wrong then have at it, but I don't think that is too outlandish a take.

You make reference to my ideology, what ideology is that? Do you think I'm a socialist? that I believe the downtrodden of America rallied round a deranged authoritarian misogynist because the Democrats wouldn't promise to nationalise Wall Street and UnitedHealth Group?

I don't believe any of that and even if I did, I know there's not the slightest possibility of anything remotely like that happening in the life time of anyone in here, or the life time of their kids come to think of it.

What "silly hypothetical argument" are you talking about? Seriously? Do you mean it's hypothetical because it disagrees with you, is that the criteria for hypothetical?

If all you're going to do is be pejorative, then don't reply and we can both put each other on block and go our separate ways.
 
It is hypothetical to imagine what a Harris presidency would have looked like, for the simple reason we'll never know, but from what she said and did during the campaign there was no indication it would have been radically different from Obama/Biden, if you think I'm wrong then have at it, but I don't think that is too outlandish a take.

You make reference to my ideology, what ideology is that? Do you think I'm a socialist? that I believe the downtrodden of America rallied round a deranged authoritarian misogynist because the Democrats wouldn't promise to nationalise Wall Street and UnitedHealth Group?

I don't believe any of that and even if I did, I know there's not the slightest possibility of anything remotely like that happening in the life time of anyone in here, or the life time of their kids come to think of it.

What "silly hypothetical argument" are you talking about? Seriously? Do you mean it's hypothetical because it disagrees with you, is that the criteria for hypothetical?

If all you're going to do is be pejorative, then don't reply and we can both put each other on block and go our separate ways.
No, you’re right. I presumed this was a “blame the Democrats” post. Apologies. I concur that we could expect a Harris presidency is a Biden/Obama lookalike. The thing is, objectively, peace and a reasonable economy existed during their tenures. Simple stuff. I think the idea that the average American was somehow disenfranchised by them is silly. The reality is that a populist campaign built on lies and exaggeration and division funded by billionaires is tough to combat if the consequences for the nation are irrelevant to the candidate unless you’re willing to go down the same path. You have to rely on the logic of the electorate to see through this if you aren’t (and no reasonably thoughtful human should be) as per 2020.
 
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Makes me laugh when Trump complains USA imports loads of cars from Europe and China but we don’t import theirs, well maybe if the weren’t all gas guzzling monstrosity’s then we might. Does anyone know if this trade war will strengthen the pound against the dollar, I remember going in 2005 when it was almost 2:1
 
Makes me laugh when Trump complains USA imports loads of cars from Europe and China but we don’t import theirs, well maybe if the weren’t all gas guzzling monstrosity’s then we might. Does anyone know if this trade war will strengthen the pound against the dollar, I remember going in 2005 when it was almost 2:1

Hope so as we are going on holiday to the US in the summer.
 
Makes me laugh when Trump complains USA imports loads of cars from Europe and China but we don’t import theirs, well maybe if the weren’t all gas guzzling monstrosity’s then we might. Does anyone know if this trade war will strengthen the pound against the dollar, I remember going in 2005 when it was almost 2:1

School runs bad enough with mum's driving SUVs, imagine if we started importing their pickups.
 
He's going to tank their economy within a few days of taking office. I don't believe even his biggest supporters will stand for this if this nonsense continues. Can see him not lasting 18 months at this rate.
 
He's going to tank their economy within a few days of taking office. I don't believe even his biggest supporters will stand for this if this nonsense continues. Can see him not lasting 18 months at this rate.
If he insists on keeping his stupid tariffs in place - Trump is stubborn enough that he may well do exactly that, and then blame inflation and the crashing economy on - I don't know - Obama? Hillary? Hunter Biden's Laptop?

Likely though he'll course-correct, drop the tariffs and claim victory, and his sheeple will lap it up.
 
If he insists on keeping his stupid tariffs in place - Trump is stubborn enough that he may well do exactly that, and then blame inflation and the crashing economy on - I don't know - Obama? Hillary? Hunter Biden's Laptop?

Likely though he'll course-correct, drop the tariffs and claim victory, and his sheeple will lap it up.
It’ll work too. Eggs start off at say $12 for a dozen, they rise to $24, but then settle at $15.

He announces he’s reduced egg prices by €9 a dozen.

Rally time.
 

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