Like I said the simplest explanation is often the truth. I’ve seen this in the courts.Its not a matter of backing his agenda... By what so you see about his tariffs that you consider self serving?
And the simplest explanation for the tariffs is what in your opinion?Like I said the simplest explanation is often the truth. I’ve seen this in the courts.
Put it this way, if it was on the balance of probabilities I’d convict him of grifting.
Even requiring proof to be beyond reasonable doubt, I’d struggle to give him the benefit of the of the doubt.
I’ll be honest about that.
Its okay foggy, you aren't one of the clever people i was talking about :)“On a chat” ha ha ha what a shock; your whole life is here; we’re talking about face-to-face conversations with people and you’ve got nothing.
Well I did ask the question, what’s in it for him before his sudden reversal of tariff ‘policies’, for want of a better word. Perhaps ‘strategy’ would suit more.And the simplest explanation for the tariffs is what in your opinion?
I understand you don't trust him, but im trying to understand is how that affects the simplest explanation
And the simplest explanation for the tariffs is what in your opinion?
I understand you don't trust him, but im trying to understand is how that affects the simplest explanation
I doubt he graduated, did anyone/Are you a graduate of Trump University?
I doubt he graduated, did anyone/
I still doubt he graduated ;)Everyone graduated. That's why it was so worthless
You just had to turn up with a bag of cash and state your name.
So, you think a money making scheme is the simplest explanation? Fair enough.Well I did ask the question, what’s in it for him before his sudden reversal of tariff ‘policies’, for want of a better word. Perhaps ‘strategy’ would suit more.
I think the simplest explanation is perhaps the ’accusation’ of insider or short trading.
He’s in control of the narrative and there are plenty of his people in place to ensure he can do so with impunity.
Again Dax, I don’t expect you to concur but I’m simply explaining what I see as highly likely. It’s my opinion granted, not yours or a few others in here.
YesAre you a graduate of Trump University?
Then why the sudden reversal with very little negotiation or time to see any effect other than the stock market suffering.So, you think a money making scheme is the simplest explanation? Fair enough.
Well, here's my explanation, and im sure you'd disagree, but i think its simpler...
He believes, and we know this because he has repeated it a million times, that America is getting the shit end of the stick in every relationship it has. (Again, this is what i often tell people, you can disagree with his analysis, and many do) But that's his baseline belief. Its the reason he threatened NATO allies to pay more for our joint defense... Again, many hated it ( right or wrong) he thought they weren't pulling their weight and threatened to not defend NATO nations unless they start paying more into the pot.)
He feels the same way about the U.S. relationship with Mexico and Canada, we support their efforts but they never do ours... ( Again, you can disagree with his assessment) And he is using tariffs as a negotiation too to make others countries ( in his view) act more fairly with the U.S.
If Mexico, Canada and the US enter a tariff war. Both. Mexico and Canada will be severely worse off than the U.S. even though all 3 will feel the effects.Then why the sudden reversal with very little negotiation or time to see any effect other than the stock market suffering.
Do you really feel the gains from Mexico were so huge?
It doesn’t fit right.
Canada announced the border strengthening measures weeks ago during the Biden Administration, and Mexico's troop movements were a hold-over from Trump's first term.Then why the sudden reversal with very little negotiation or time to see any effect other than the stock market suffering.
Do you really feel the gains from Mexico were so huge?
It doesn’t fit right.
As a side note here is a portion of what i said in a post to you in December regarding what Trump wants which was a rebuttal of Foggys claims. Im highlighting the portion on Tariffs. The overaching point here is that nothing he is doing is unexpected. As i easily predicted it and why in December:Then why the sudden reversal with very little negotiation or time to see any effect other than the stock market suffering.
Do you really feel the gains from Mexico were so huge?
It doesn’t fit right.
Banana dictatorship!It's a full-blown criminal enterprise. I'd say were in banana republic territory, but that's being unfair to banana republics.
Ouch!Well, this is interesting. Similarly, i am on a chat with A LOT of clever people who are consistently ill informed, full of predictions and projections and are often if not always willfully blind to anything that doesn't fit their narrative of Trump = Evil, Dem = Just trying to save Democracy....
:)
Ha, ha, haa that's a good one. Fuck me.If one is being altruistic, you'd say the America first President doesn't want Americans suffering from his actions,
Yes I remember but in conjunction with with your first response to my same post, the tariff issue difficulties were pointed out by those you don’t see eye to eye with in here and also by yourself here in your response and your take on why he would go that route.As a side note here is a portion of what i said in a post to you in December regarding what Trump wants which was a rebuttal of Foggys claims. Im highlighting the portion on Tariffs. The overaching point here is that nothing he is doing is unexpected. As i easily predicted it and why in December:
Here is a portion of it again:
As for polishing his Money Making Brand, that's just silly. I don't understand how so many don't see it. He is a 78 year old billionaire... Money is NOT the motivating factor for running...it's obvious what he wants...
A Political Legacy and Adulation of fans...
Those are the 2 things he has been chasing for over a decade. If you fed him some Truth Serum, I'd bet money he'd say what he wants is for the Trump name to be thought of like the Kennedy name is in American politics. That's what he really wants! A lasting legacy. Being a random rich guy doesn't give you that.
3. Wildcard: Yes, on this Foggy is right. He is a wildcard. And he generally intends to break things that haven't worked for ages and bust up traditions that have coalesced around a particular type in Washington for generations.
4. His Policy and Lack of interest in doing work. This also is partly true. Donald Trump himself has little interest in the day to day grind of. Government work. That's not his forte. But we've has a President that did absolutely no work for 4 years so that shouldn't be much of an issue.
But what Donald Trump wants to do is appoint passionate people who have severe and well documented criticisms of certain branches of government that he agrees with, and have those people reorganize how things ought to be done in those departments.
Take any of his cabinet picks ( outside of the Department of Education - which he is clearly in favor of abolishing), any of the others. And simply go Google any long form interviews they've done. on the last 5 years. Ir easily becomes clear why they are on his list.
What you'd find is a throve of videos of them discussing the problems with the very department Trump is now putting them up to lead. They all have strong views about different aspects of the organization they are being tasked to oversee.
Pete Hegseth DOD -
Kash Patel: FBI -
Tulsi Gabbard: DNI
RFK: HHS
Even the Matt Gaetz at DOJ before he resigned nominations... And on and on....
They all fit the same model, have a passion for how they think that particular organization should be reformed.
Then there is Vivek and Elon at DOGE recommending cuts to the government everywhere. Even Bernie Sanders and a few other populist lefties have gotten on board the idea
From a Bird's eye view, what Trump represents is an Extreme Reformer who is seeking Personal Legacy... Whether he succeeds or fails is a 50/50 proposition. But what he is about to attempt seems pretty massive.
Here are definite predictions. He WILL NOT seek a 3rd term. He'd be 82. The idea he will is so silly. Dude isn't really a politician. People forget that.
And he'd attempt a massive government reform in the next 2 years. Some will be successful and others will get massive push back from entrenched interests.
On the economic front, he'll pass a tax break measure, he'll cut regulations related to oil exploration and production, then on the Presidential Front, he'll sign a bunch of orders to repeat all of Biden's dumb border orders.
Tariffs are going to be a big issue. It's clear he wants to use them as a negotiation tool. But leftists will whine about it so much that they'll probably give away the leverage and force him to backdown before the other countries make concessions.
In Foreign Policy: He'll negotiate his ass off to end the Ukraine/Russia war. And take a no nonsense attitude towards Iran and Qatar as it relates to releasing American born hostages in Hamas's camps.
While all that is going on, the other team will do their best to undermine everything he tries and they'll ascribe some negative personal interest to every action he takes.
One thing is for sure, it's going to be a roller coaster ride the next 2 years. But as it relates to Americans, he needs to speed up the economic recovery ( so it's not just paper good) and shut the border down and remove as many criminals who entered over the last 4 years.
Please, can you keep your responses short, much easier to drive past.As a side note here is a portion of what i said in a post to you in December regarding what Trump wants which was a rebuttal of Foggys claims. Im highlighting the portion on Tariffs. The overaching point here is that nothing he is doing is unexpected. As i easily predicted it and why in December:
Here is a portion of it again:
As for polishing his Money Making Brand, that's just silly. I don't understand how so many don't see it. He is a 78 year old billionaire... Money is NOT the motivating factor for running...it's obvious what he wants...
A Political Legacy and Adulation of fans...
Those are the 2 things he has been chasing for over a decade. If you fed him some Truth Serum, I'd bet money he'd say what he wants is for the Trump name to be thought of like the Kennedy name is in American politics. That's what he really wants! A lasting legacy. Being a random rich guy doesn't give you that.
3. Wildcard: Yes, on this Foggy is right. He is a wildcard. And he generally intends to break things that haven't worked for ages and bust up traditions that have coalesced around a particular type in Washington for generations.
4. His Policy and Lack of interest in doing work. This also is partly true. Donald Trump himself has little interest in the day to day grind of. Government work. That's not his forte. But we've has a President that did absolutely no work for 4 years so that shouldn't be much of an issue.
But what Donald Trump wants to do is appoint passionate people who have severe and well documented criticisms of certain branches of government that he agrees with, and have those people reorganize how things ought to be done in those departments.
Take any of his cabinet picks ( outside of the Department of Education - which he is clearly in favor of abolishing), any of the others. And simply go Google any long form interviews they've done. on the last 5 years. Ir easily becomes clear why they are on his list.
What you'd find is a throve of videos of them discussing the problems with the very department Trump is now putting them up to lead. They all have strong views about different aspects of the organization they are being tasked to oversee.
Pete Hegseth DOD -
Kash Patel: FBI -
Tulsi Gabbard: DNI
RFK: HHS
Even the Matt Gaetz at DOJ before he resigned nominations... And on and on....
They all fit the same model, have a passion for how they think that particular organization should be reformed.
Then there is Vivek and Elon at DOGE recommending cuts to the government everywhere. Even Bernie Sanders and a few other populist lefties have gotten on board the idea
From a Bird's eye view, what Trump represents is an Extreme Reformer who is seeking Personal Legacy... Whether he succeeds or fails is a 50/50 proposition. But what he is about to attempt seems pretty massive.
Here are definite predictions. He WILL NOT seek a 3rd term. He'd be 82. The idea he will is so silly. Dude isn't really a politician. People forget that.
And he'd attempt a massive government reform in the next 2 years. Some will be successful and others will get massive push back from entrenched interests.
On the economic front, he'll pass a tax break measure, he'll cut regulations related to oil exploration and production, then on the Presidential Front, he'll sign a bunch of orders to repeat all of Biden's dumb border orders.
Tariffs are going to be a big issue. It's clear he wants to use them as a negotiation tool. But leftists will whine about it so much that they'll probably give away the leverage and force him to backdown before the other countries make concessions.
In Foreign Policy: He'll negotiate his ass off to end the Ukraine/Russia war. And take a no nonsense attitude towards Iran and Qatar as it relates to releasing American born hostages in Hamas's camps.
While all that is going on, the other team will do their best to undermine everything he tries and they'll ascribe some negative personal interest to every action he takes.
One thing is for sure, it's going to be a roller coaster ride the next 2 years. But as it relates to Americans, he needs to speed up the economic recovery ( so it's not just paper good) and shut the border down and remove as many criminals who entered over the last 4 years.
On the contrary, he is honest about it. Or put differently, he has admitted multiple times that there might be short term pain or inflation for a longer term gain....Yes I remember but in conjunction with with your first response to my same post, the tariff issue difficulties were pointed out by those you don’t see eye to eye with in here and also by yourself here in your response and your take on why he would go that route.
It was always going to cause inflation and he wasn’t honest about that. He got HIS message to his electorate that still don’t seem to understand how tariffs pass a cost on to them.
You say he didn’t want to inflict pain on the American people. Then why did he go through this manoeuvre for what seems like very little gain politically.
I’m still not convinced Dax, but I’ll keep asking you or anyone else because I genuinely want to try seeing this from all angles.