Irish Current Affairs

Not exactly politics, but id say its Irish Current Affairs....has anyone else followed, or recently learned about the GAA Catfish?

Proper bonkers story....ive seen similar intricate incidents before, but this is seriously impressive in ots complexity!!
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
Not exactly politics, but id say its Irish Current Affairs....has anyone else followed, or recently learned about the GAA Catfish?

Proper bonkers story....ive seen similar intricate incidents before, but this is seriously impressive in ots complexity!!
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Everything We Know About The Infamous GAA Catfish

The 2 Johnnies released an unexpected third instalment of their GAA Catfish series in January
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Bloody hell.

This would make a great documentary.
 
TinFoilHat said:
goss.ie

Everything We Know About The Infamous GAA Catfish

The 2 Johnnies released an unexpected third instalment of their GAA Catfish series in January
goss.ie goss.ie

Bloody hell.

This would make a great documentary.
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Yeah, they were approached by Netflix and BBC...and were going to go with the BBC, but they would only do it if "Nikki" was involved too....but she wont do it.

Supposedly there is something coming from a number of other people who have been involved/affected
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
Not exactly politics, but id say its Irish Current Affairs....has anyone else followed, or recently learned about the GAA Catfish?

Proper bonkers story....ive seen similar intricate incidents before, but this is seriously impressive in ots complexity!!
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Yeah listened to the first two podcasts when they came out two years ago, and then the latest one last week.
The only time I would ever listen to the 2 Johnnies!

Seems to have mental health problems the woman, but is very dangerous with her accusations and lies.

I saw a photo of her that was taken in the bar from the story at the start of the podcast, and, not to be rude, but from looking at her you wouldn't believe that she's going with a county GAA player.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
Status red warning for the whole country is the only news today.
Well that and we have a new Taoiseach.

The country shuts down from 2am Friday morning. Hurricane winds force 12 along the west coast.
This should be fun.
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Little old Castletown Bere will be taking some battering down there.

I imagine there's a lot of navy boats dropped anchor using Bere island for shelter............
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
Status red warning for the whole country is the only news today.
Well that and we have a new Taoiseach.

The country shuts down from 2am Friday morning. Hurricane winds force 12 along the west coast.
This should be fun.
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We're going to the Chelsea game. Sailed last night to Holyhead to make sure we'd make it!
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
www.irishtimes.com

Support for Irish unification growing in Northern Ireland, poll finds

While unity vote would be soundly defeated in North a growing number of unionists support the holding of a border poll
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I was starting to think that support for unity was falling in the south?

I don’t think opinion up here is definitely moving towards it, but people are more open to the discussion…perhaps can see how lack of meaningful discussion lead to brexit.

Also, can we please move away from catholic/protestant ratios?
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
I was starting to think that support for unity was falling in the south?

I don’t think opinion up here is definitely moving towards it, but people are more open to the discussion…perhaps can see how lack of meaningful discussion lead to brexit.

Also, can we please move away from catholic/protestant ratios?
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There would be a significant vote against unity down here. We've seen many referendums in the south over the years where a majority seemed assured on one side, only to be overturned once the electorate came to terms with all the issues. Abolition of the senate a good example.

There may be a majority in favour of unity when all is said and done, but no more than 55-45, I suspect. I know a substantial majority in my own family would reject it, myself included.
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
I was starting to think that support for unity was falling in the south?

I don’t think opinion up here is definitely moving towards it, but people are more open to the discussion…perhaps can see how lack of meaningful discussion lead to brexit.

Also, can we please move away from catholic/protestant ratios?
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I think it would still be rejected as expected up north but I don’t think it would be a foregone conclusion down south despite the surveys year on year.

I don’t think I’ll ever see it in my lifetime and it doesn’t upset me greatly. I voted for the GFA knowing full well what it meant and a huge part of that is the rights of Northern Loyalism being recognised and respected.

I’m currently reading an Irish history written by Jonathon Brandon and it is a very objective look at the Irish and English story and particularly where it sits in the European frame of Catholic/Protestant wars.
I know we’re talking hundreds of years going back to Henry 8th, but King Billy against James II was actually a European war fought in Ireland.

King William of Orange is a divisive figure in Irish history. Revered up north by Loyalism, revile by nationalism.

I’m beginning to see things differently however. Irish history within the UK could have been do different had William lived. The reason I say that is that he was quite intent on honouring the terms of the Treaty of Limerick. Life for Catholic Ireland which was the majority, could have been so different. But William died in 1702 and Ann took the throne.
The Dublin and London parliaments didn’t sign the treaty until 6 years later and absolutely butchered the agreement and Ann introduced the Penal laws in 1704 and that was the final nail in the coffin of any Anglo/Gaelic relationship for the next 200+ years.
The 1700’s were a time of great prosperity and peace for Ireland but it also saw some of the worst degradation of the majority of the population who had no rights whatsoever.

The point I’m emphasising is that history on both sides of the divide should be objectively taught. Irish history should be the story of how we got to where we are now for both traditions.
And where we are now is a relatively good place where mutual respect should be the top priority.

I think for the majority of if people on the whole island it is.
 
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mancity2012_eamo said:
I think it would still be rejected as expected up north but I don’t think it would be a foregone conclusion down south despite the surveys year on year.

I don’t think I’ll ever see it in my lifetime and it doesn’t upset me greatly. I voted for the GFA knowing full well what it meant and a huge part of that is the rights of Northern Loyalism being recognised and respected.

I’m currently reading an Irish history written by Jonathon Brandon and it is a very objective look at the Irish and English story and particularly where it sits in the European frame of Catholic/Protestant wars.
I know we’re talking hundreds of years going back to Henry 8th, but King Billy against James II was actually a European war fought in Ireland.

King William of Orange is a decisive figure in Irish history. Revered up north by Loyalism, revile by nationalism.

I’m beginning to see things differently however. Irish history within the UK could have been do different had William lived. The reason I say that is that he was quite intent on honouring the terms of the Treaty of Limerick. Life for Catholic Ireland which was the majority, could have been so different. But William died in 1702 and Ann took the throne.
The Dublin and London parliaments didn’t sign the treaty until 6 years later and absolutely butchered the agreement and Ann introduced the Penal laws in 1704 and that was the final nail in the coffin of any Anglo/Gaelic relationship for the next 200+ years.
The 1700’s were a time of great prosperity and peace for Ireland but it also saw some of the worst degradation of the majority of the population who had no rights whatsoever.

The point I’m emphasising is that history on both sides of the divide should be objectively taught. Irish history should be the story of how we got to where we are now for both traditions.
And where we are now is a relatively good place where mutual respect should be the top priority.

I think for the majority of if people on the whole island it is.
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The prolonged provo murder campaign did dreadful damage to reconciliation on the island. For my own part, as a southern Catholic, I have no sense that making peace with northern Protestants is the task at hand; it is making peace with Irish nationalism that is the real challenge. And there are lots of us, even if we're all over 50!
 
Ballymagash Blue said:
The prolonged provo murder campaign did dreadful damage to reconciliation on the island. For my own part, as a southern Catholic, I have no sense that making peace with northern Protestants is the task at hand; it is making peace with Irish nationalism that is the real challenge. And there are lots of us, even if we're all over 50!
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This is very true.
Sinn Fein are the only All Ireland party, but there are plenty down south of my generation that cannot bring themselves to vote for them because we do not trust them.
The younger generation don’t have that hang up however.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
This is very true.
Sinn Fein are the only All Ireland party, but there are plenty down south of my generation that cannot bring themselves to vote for them because we do not trust them.
The younger generation don’t have that hang up however.
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I agree, for the most part. But it's not a question of 'trust' with Sinn Fein: it's because we loathe them.
 
Ballymagash Blue said:
There would be a significant vote against unity down here. We've seen many referendums in the south over the years where a majority seemed assured on one side, only to be overturned once the electorate came to terms with all the issues. Abolition of the senate a good example.

There may be a majority in favour of unity when all is said and done, but no more than 55-45, I suspect. I know a substantial majority in my own family would reject it, myself included.
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No wishing to pry, what are your main objections to unity?
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
No wishing to pry, what are your main objections to unity?
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Well, it was John Hume who said that there was no point in simply erasing a border on a map. It was the borders in hearts and minds thst needed to shift. We're nowhere that point.

There are two traditions on this island, and, while there is some common ground, two very different cultures. I cannot see how an harmonious state, with a shared purpose and vision, could emerge from the various factions. (Opinion polls in the south show that we won't even give up our flag and anthem to accommodate a different tradition!) In reality, the only practical arrangement is the current constitutional position. Any attempt to change that will likely lead to a return to muder and mayhem.
 
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