PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Cobwebcat]

I don't think they'll know 100% but I think they'll have an idea from the lawyers how it's gone.

Absolutely they will have an idea but there are posters that think City actually know well ahead of any public announcements ie now.

 

[jimharri]

Please leave the politicking in the relevant forum. Thanks.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Pretty sure there are different rules for CAS/115 vs APT. I’ll ask…

@slbsn Stefan, will City know the 115 result well before it is announced or will It be like a few hours before? There’s speculation City might know the actual 115 result now whereas I don’t think that’s the case.

The timing of the public release is completely up to the PL isn't it? It's not the tribunal who release the award, it's the PL.

For the APT case, the award was dated September 25, so the parties will presumably have seen a draft a few days before that. Iirc, the PL was dragging it's heels on publication so the club leaked to the Times and the DM and the PL released shortly after on October 7.

Still seems way to soon to me to finalise the 115 award. It took the tribunal 3 months to produce a 160 page APT award. The 115 award will be three/ four times longer, at least. Unless the hearing was shorter than we think and the conclusions easy. Which would be good for us, but doesn't tie into what we think we know and is very unlikely anyway.

All imho, of course.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Second hearing??

A two part hearing process. First hearing to determine if there were any breaches. Then a second hearing to determine sanctions, if any, and costs.

Isn't that what we are talking about?

 

[slbsn]

Pretty sure there are different rules for CAS/115 vs APT. I’ll ask…

@slbsn Stefan, will City know the 115 result well before it is announced or will It be like a few hours before? There’s speculation City might know the actual 115 result now whereas I don’t think that’s the case.

In all the other disciplinary (arbitration cases are different) cases the club has had the result a few hours before the public. This one may be different though given the seriousness and it not being clear if we will get each decision separately (liability and sanctions). In short, we don’t know but I doubt City have seen an actual decision at this stage.

 

[slbsn]

The timing of the public release is completely up to the PL isn't it? It's not the tribunal who release the award, it's the PL.

For the APT case, the award was dated September 25, so the parties will presumably have seen a draft a few days before that. Iirc, the PL was dragging it's heels on publication so the club leaked to the Times and the DM and the PL released shortly after on October 7.

Still seems way to soon to me to finalise the 115 award. It took the tribunal 3 months to produce a 160 page APT award. The 115 award will be three/ four times longer, at least. Unless the hearing was shorter than we think and the conclusions easy. Which would be good for us, but doesn't tie into what we think we know and is very unlikely anyway.

All imho, of course.

The rules on public release are different for disciplinary cases (115) and arbitration cases (APT) - the former has to be made public. The latter doesn’t.

 

[CC1]

A two part hearing process. First hearing to determine if there were any breaches. Then a second hearing to determine sanctions, if any, and costs.

Isn't that what we are talking about?

Ah sorry. Thought you meant there was going to be a second hearing re the 115 case. I then thought you were referring to the second APT hearing. Ignore me :-)
Fan speculation & media reports are having serious effects :-)

 

[oldius]

Didn't you get the Talksport memo? We're stockpiling players now because of the incoming transfer ban.

Indeed I did. I did an especially productive wipe with it and it disappeared with a Bovril flush.

 

[SWP's back]

Didn't you get the Talksport memo? We're stockpiling players now because of the incoming transfer ban.

Which is weird as I don’t think a transfer embargo is even in the list of potential punishments for the 115 case.

 

[bluemc]

Which is weird as I don’t think a transfer embargo is even in the list of potential punishments for the 115 case.

Meh, I don't think Talksport and the likes are too concerned with the facts of what is/isn't possible. Just anything to add to the anti-City agenda.

 

[halfcenturyup]

The rules on public release are different for disciplinary cases (115) and arbitration cases (APT) - the former has to be made public. The latter doesn’t.

Yes.

But in both cases it's up to the PL to publish the findings (provided both parties agree for a section X tribunal). The first Leicester decision for example was published nearly three weeks after it was dated. For the APT case, it was two weeks.

Unless I am wrong, which I am frequently :)

 

[inchy14]

Which is weird as I don’t think a transfer embargo is even in the list of potential punishments for the 115 case.

It’s not. And as far as I’m aware only FIFA can enforce a transfer ban.

 

[slbsn]

Yes.

But in both cases it's up to the PL to publish the findings (provided both parties agree for a section X tribunal). The first Leicester decision for example was published nearly three weeks after it was dated. For the APT case, it was two weeks.

Unless I am wrong, which I am frequently :)

Wouldn’t say it is up to the PL on disciplinary matters. Parties will agree or the IC will tell them. If you mean they will be published on the PL website, then yes.

In PL arbitration, there are no public announcement rules - the default is no announcement but on APT and Leicester they knew they had no choice but to release and the parties agreed albeit not immediately on receipt

 

[slbsn]

It’s not. And as far as I’m aware only FIFA can enforce a transfer ban.

The IC can impose any sanction (inc transfer bans) it sees fit. And the EFL frequently ban teams from transfers so doesn’t need to be FIFA enforced. But I don’t see why City would get a transfer ban for these matters

 

[halfcenturyup]

Wouldn’t say it is up to the PL on disciplinary matters. Parties will agree or the IC will tell them. If you mean they will be published on the PL website, then yes.

In PL arbitration, there are no public announcement rules - the default is no announcement but on APT and Leicester they knew they had no choice but to release and the parties agreed albeit not immediately on receipt

Leicester was an appeal under section W wasn't it?

But do you know if they have actually gone to arbitration on that? They said in the recent PSR statement that there was still a case ongoing for Leicester. Crazy if that's true.

 

[slbsn]

Leicester was an appeal under section W wasn't it?

But do you know if they have actually gone to arbitration on that? They said in the recent PSR statement that there was still a case ongoing for Leicester. Crazy if that's true.

Yes correct on Leicester. In that case, the rule was to announce as soon as practicable.

According to multiple sources, yes the PL are appealing the appeal in arbitration.

 

[slbsn]

Yes correct on Leicester. In that case, the rule was to announce as soon as practicable.

According to multiple sources, yes the PL are appealing the appeal in arbitration.

Leicester IC appeal was dated 30 August (a Friday) and released on the Tuesday after

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

It has been reported that the hearing was split as to establish any liability City had ie if they had actually breached any rules and then, if and once established, the parties will come back and make their submissions on what appropriate sanctions should be. In other words, as of now, if The Lawyer is correct nobody has even discussed what the appropriate sanction should be because that will come only if City are liable.

Reported where?

 

[johnny crossan]

That doesn’t sound too good.

Why?

 

[slbsn]

Reported where?

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