President Trump

[BigJoe#1]

Hamas took a big risk when they took the hostages, and it hasn't played out well for them, Gaza cities destroyed, a couple of million palestinians displaced (again). But having taken that risk and paid the price they're not just going to meekly fold when gobshite brings the illegal forced repatriation of a nation to the table now are they?

Whilst I in no way condone the hostage taking, I can fully understand why Hamas are now reluctant to give up just about the only negotiation card they hold.

This is all down to the mango shitgibbon and his gob

THe argument is if they don't release the hostages all hell will be unleashed, or if they do release the hostages (and remember they all totally innocent people) they MIGHT not get a battering. Not my choice but if it was and in the current circumstances I know which I'd rather. How about you?

 

[BigJoe#1]

What are you talking about.

read the thread

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

read the thread

No one has a clue about your USAID comment. It doesn’t make any sense and that’s why people are asking you to clarify it.

 

[flook]

THe argument is if they don't release the hostages all hell will be unleashed, or if they do release the hostages (and remember they all totally innocent people) they MIGHT not get a battering. Not my choice but if it was and in the current circumstances I know which I'd rather. How about you?

So when they (Hamas) get an absolute battering and there are hundreds of needless fatalities through hell being unleashed on people who hide behind innocent civilians, we will all celebrate the taking of hostages and the refusal to prevent the battering by not releasing them?

I won't be will you?

you see you reply, but you dont actually reply to what has been said do you. Crack on supporting Shitgibbon, you're well suited

 

[BigJoe#1]

you see you reply, but you dont actually reply to what has been said do you. Crack on supporting Shitgibbon, you're well suited

I don't support him first and foremost I want to see the hostages released rather than give in to terrorists . What haven't I replied to? I must have answered the quesioons for tou to reach a conclusion.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

That is a very deep seated, long, long standing dispute (as you should know), does not justify the actions of 7th October... or do you support what happened?

No, I do not support or never have supported terrorism, but terrorism in this case is inevitable consequence of the level of oppression shown towards the Palestinian people since the state of Israel was formed in 1948.

 

[flook]

I don't support him first and foremost I want to see the hostages released rather than give in to terrorists . What haven't I replied to? I must have answered the quesioons for tou to reach a conclusion.

Everybody wants to see the hostages released (on both sides) simply repeating that in every response isn't answering the points raised

You haven't given any reasoned argument why Hamas would release the hostages and lose their only leverage given shitgibbons comments on Gaza and its population. You've made your mind up that if they did then everything would be hunky dori and completely ignored the implications of what Shitgibbon said

You haven't clarified what you USAID comment meant (because nobody has a scooby what you were on about)

 

[Mr Fraser]

Better still release the innocent hostages, would put an end to the biggest barrier, or are we happy for them still to be held.... indefinitely.

When you speak of innocent hostages I assume you are talking of estimated 7000 palestians imprisoned by Israel without trial. Reference Jerusalem post jan 2025

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Are they stealing his victories again?

Speaking of 'stealing victories', where was Elon's merry band of script kiddies on the 5th of November?

 

[stan bowles]

Also there was a ceasefire and hostage exchange in place and was happening.
His bid to get hold of the land has ruined that and has stirred things up again, that’s his MO, gets the conflict started again Israel go in and trump rubs his hands waiting to land grab.
The guys a ****

Not true. They've stopped releasing the hostages because they claim Israel has blocked aid and medical supplies getting through. It's not because of anything Trump said.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Not true. They've stopped releasing the hostages because they claim Israel has blocked aid and medical supplies getting through. It's not because of anything Trump said.

Directly, no.

In reality...

Why shutting down USAID could have major impacts on Gaza aid

The Trump administration's efforts to shut down USAID could impact humanitarian efforts in Gaza and abroad, international aid organizations are warning.

abcnews.go.com

 

[flook]

Not true. They've stopped releasing the hostages because they claim Israel has blocked aid and medical supplies getting through. It's not because of anything Trump said.

both sides have blurred the lines of the agreement, but it kept going until shitgibbon spoke. Trump, in addition to his forced repatriation comments, has also said ALL the Hamas hostages should be released, with no such reciprocal statement on the people held by Israel.

Hamas says it will postpone hostage release, blaming Israel

Israel's defence minister calls the Hamas announcement a "complete violation of the ceasefire agreement".

www.bbc.co.uk

Read between the lines, it's pretty clear.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Everybody wants to see the hostages released (on both sides) simply repeating that in every response isn't answering the points raised

You haven't given any reasoned argument why Hamas would release the hostages and lose their only leverage given shitgibbons comments on Gaza and its population. You've made your mind up that if they did then everything would be hunky dori and completely ignored the implications of what Shitgibbon said

You haven't clarified what you USAID comment meant (because nobody has a scooby what you were on about)

If Hamas wanted the hostages released they would release them... why they were taken and for what reason who knows?

How about trying to prevent themselves being blasted off the planet as a reason to consider giving up their only "leverage". I doubt very much would be "hunky dory", but the consequences of the alternative, we can only imagine?

As for the USAID see below. In summary It was said earlier in the thread by @cityonthup that keeping hostages was a tactic to negotiate so I am suggesting that by threatening to remove USAID is as an acceptable tactic to counter. ie give up the hostages and we may not cut financial support to the area.

They have something he wants.... hostages released and a potential end to the conflict

He has something they want/need.... financial aid

So why not negotiate?

Or should he just capitulate and give in to terrorists aka Hamas and say, yeah, you keep the innocent captives and we'll just keep on funding you?

 

[BigJoe#1]

When you speak of innocent hostages I assume you are talking of estimated 7000 palestians imprisoned by Israel without trial. Reference Jerusalem post jan 2025

No, I'm talking about the people who were kidnapped and whose families were brutally slaughtered, unprovoked.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Oct 7th was a crime.

Trump and the Israeli govt are now calling for crimes against humanity against the people of Gaza (below extract from the Graun)

From the Geneva convention

Article 33 - Individual responsibility, collective penalties, pillage, reprisals. No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.

Israeli minister backs Trump's plan to 'let hell break out' on Gaza if Israeli hostages are not released by Saturday​

Israel’s communications minister, Shlomo Karhi, has backed Trump’s call to “let hell break out” on Gaza if all the remaining Israeli captives are not released by Saturday.

In a post on X he said:


He added:

So basically, a green light to commit war crimes?

 

[stan bowles]

both sides have blurred the lines of the agreement, but it kept going until shitgibbon spoke. Trump, in addition to his forced repatriation comments, has also said ALL the Hamas hostages should be released, with no such reciprocal statement on the people held by Israel.

Hamas says it will postpone hostage release, blaming Israel

Israel's defence minister calls the Hamas announcement a "complete violation of the ceasefire agreement".

www.bbc.co.uk

Read between the lines, it's pretty clear.

Release the hostages, the ceasefire continues. How could it be any simpler and clearer than that ?

 

[Blue Maverick]

He’s talking bollocks again. King of Jordan should just tell him to fuck if

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Release the hostages, the ceasefire continues. How could it be any simpler and clearer than that ?

Ceasefire, maybe, but it won't stop the bulldozers and subsequent 'relocation' of the Palestinians, which was Israels plan all along.

 

[The blue phantom]

Release the hostages, the ceasefire continues. How could it be any simpler and clearer than that ?

Lol.

 

[stan bowles]

Ceasefire, maybe, but it won't stop the bulldozers and subsequent 'relocation' of the Palestinians, which was Israels plan all along.

It certainly isn't going to help their cause if they don't release them.