President Trump

[roubaixtuesday]

Fair play to him he sounds like he has finally made a breakthrough with Russia and Ukraine. No one knows what any peace deal may look like and Zelenskyy will have to agree to whatever is on the table.

How can anyone not think this good news other than base it on their hatred of Trump? Any other president or politician did this they would be being praised.

He's given Putin exactly what he wanted, before even starting any negotiation.

Rewarding a tyrant for war crimes.

Nobody would ever be praised for this.

 

[BigJoe#1]

He's given Putin exactly what he wanted, before even starting any negotiation.

Rewarding a tyrant for war crimes.

Nobody would ever be praised for this.

Best they just cut the crap and Nuke them then.

Every negotiated settlement has to have a starting point which will not be to everyone's satisfaction... that is more about the outcome.

 

[AliBobbyJ]

Someone on Quora asked “Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?” Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response:


A few things spring to mind.


Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.
For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.
So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.


Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever.
I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.


But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.


Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.


And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.


There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.


Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.
Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.


And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.
Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.
He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.


He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.


And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.
That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.


There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.


So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
• Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
• You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.


This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.
After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.
God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.


He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.
In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.


And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:
‘My God… what… have… I… created?
If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.


Source: jobsanger: British Writer Pens The Best Description Of Trump I’ve Read

I am generally inclined to avoid hyperbole but this is probably the best thing I've read on bluemoon since City moved from Hyde Road.

 

[threespires]

I don't think Trump will arrest the decline. Granted perhaps the whole discussion wasn't warranted in a Trump thread

I definitely do not want an expanding of the power of the State or a degree of added Authoritarians. Whats required is a cultural shift rather than a political one if im being honest, it might take serious economic hardship for such to happen. Lige is simply too easy for Westerners.


The superficiality of national pride is more pf a recent phenomenon to be honest. The last; 65 years perhaps. National pride was grounded in a particular ethos that was predominantly Western but with an American spin.


No I wasn't. That's an understandable misconception. I wasn't attracted to Trump at all. I was just repulsed by the prior administration and its acolytes.

That said, I think this issue is unrelated to any specific American President or Presidents. Hence why my remarks were general to the West and not just America. It is a malaise that's greater than some temporary political appointment in one Western Country. That it ended up being discussed in the Trump thread is just happenstance and not an intentional attempt to connect the 2. At least certainly not by me.

Yes I mistakenly made a connection between those concerns and your motives for voting for Trump, so my questions are moot.

 

[KS55]

Its not partisan. It leans conservative though. There is a difference.

You never did understand that the immunity ruling finished the rule of law; if it does not apply to everyone, it does not apply to anyone. (Check 1776). That is what is now being played out by Trump and Musk, the destruction of the rule of law aka the destruction of democracy.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

" wibble "

When you're making Sarah Huckerby-Sanders and Kaleigh McInerny sound almost credible...

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Best they just cut the crap and Nuke them then.

Every negotiated settlement has to have a starting point which will not be to everyone's satisfaction... that is more about the outcome.

Trump has *started* by giving Putin what he wants. He's a Russian ally.

 

[Dax777]

You never did understand that the immunity ruling finished the rule of law; if it does not apply to everyone, it does not apply to anyone. (Check 1776). That is what is now being played out by Trump and Musk, the destruction of the rule of law aka the destruction of democracy.

Your penchant for hyperbole disappoints me :(

 

[Koniec]

Putin wont walk away without something. Donbas or Crimea. To return empty handed will be a failure and Russian leaders can’t be seen to be weak. And if he gets something, he’ll try for something else elsewhere, likely the Baltics. The leaders change, Russia doesn’t.

 

[55yr old teenager]

Fair play to him he sounds like he has finally made a breakthrough with Russia and Ukraine. No one knows what any peace deal may look like and Zelenskyy will have to agree to whatever is on the table.

How can anyone not think this good news other than base it on their hatred of Trump? Any other president or politician did this they would be being praised.

Don't you think it would have been even better if they had invited Voldomir as well to the table? Maybe his opinion doesn't really matter. After all he is only the Ukraines leader!!

 

[BigJoe#1]

Trump has *started* by giving Putin what he wants. He's a Russian ally.

.... and you know this because...? you're in the American inner circle? you're a trusted ally of Putin?

No. Thought not and whilst there is a million to one chance you might have guessed the opening gambit correctly the actual truth is yoiu are no better informed than me or the piss head down the local pub.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

.... and you know this because

Because Hegseth publicly stated it today.

 

[KS55]

Nobody has said anybody should concede anything. I think you are being a bit presumptuous but that is the purpose of negotiation. Its either that or the war continues and there is massive loss of life all round.

Me personally I'm happy to see an attemot to the war by negotiation in the absence of any other options at this time.

That was done several years ago and Putin agreed to respect the sovereignty of Ukraine and its borders. What makes you think he will abide by any agreement this time?

 

[moomba]

Best they just cut the crap and Nuke them then.

Every negotiated settlement has to have a starting point which will not be to everyone's satisfaction... that is more about the outcome.

A negotiated settlement usually involves both sides of the dispute.

It would be like a third party negotiating a deal with Richard Masters over the 115 verdict and our punishment without our involvement. And then expecting praise for it.

Trump will get praise if he can negotiate a settlement that both sides are prepared to accept. Until then, it'd just bluster designed to please fools.

 

[west didsblue]

.... and you know this because...? you're in the American inner circle? you're a trusted ally of Putin?

No. Thought not and whilst there is a million to one chance you might have guessed the opening gambit correctly the actual truth is yoiu are no better informed than me or the piss head down the local pub.

https://www.economist.com/europe/20...between-america-and-russia from The Economist
If the link hits a paywall, the upshot is that Zelenskyy has publicly stated that he has been cut out of discussions about a resolution of the conflict.

 

[KS55]

Fair play to him he sounds like he has finally made a breakthrough with Russia and Ukraine. No one knows what any peace deal may look like and Zelenskyy will have to agree to whatever is on the table.

How can anyone not think this good news other than base it on their hatred of Trump? Any other president or politician did this they would be being praised.

Jesus H Christ. How stupid can you get?
Btw, I base this on Putin’s record of never upholding any agreement he has made, nothing to do with Trump.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Because Hegseth publicly stated it today.

Hegseth was pushed forward as head of DoD precisely because he is weak.

 

[threespires]

LMAO at around 10 secs Elons kid tells trump "You’re not the president you need to go away" to his face. Wonder where he got that idea from?



What a lame duck sitting there while Elon does the interview as though he is the President.

Anyone who watches that and doesn't think the US is descending into madness is, hmmm well....a bit mad.

 

[blueinsa]

Those still determined to slag Trump off here should listen very carefully to what Zelensky has said.

His enthusiasm for the peace talks and deal to end the war trumps (pardon the pun) any posters feeling in here towards Trump and his place in what has transpired today.

Plenty to slag him off for, I’d suggest right now, this doesn’t warrant it.

 

[KS55]

Your penchant for hyperbole disappoints me :(

No hyperbole, unless of course you do not understand what the rule of law is.
Do you think the open defiance of the court’s ruling to suspend Trumps orders on USAID is not the deliberate breakdown of the rule of law? Just the beginning……..