President Trump

[johnny crossan]

Not sure NATO membership was ever realistic. I've enjoyed visiting Ukraine and want the best for their people, but they're hardly a traditional ally or a well-established democracy. Article 5 protections aren't negotiable. Is there really political will to send young English or German people to die for Ukraine? I think we've seen the answer is no.

It's been said before in these threads, but the US focus on keeping the peace in Europe post-WW2 is not historically normal or really appropriate for a country on the other side of the ocean. China is a far greater threat to us than Russia and we don't have unlimited resources. I think the domestic challenges in the US are now on clear display. Plenty of people who aren't MAGA imbeciles think it's time for Europe to manage Europe.

Dr Strangelove I presume?

 

[Vic]

Jesus he is just rambling

Was that while President Musk was meeting the PM of one of the BRICS countries?

 

[west didsblue]

Not sure NATO membership was ever realistic. I've enjoyed visiting Ukraine and want the best for their people, but they're hardly a traditional ally or a well-established democracy. Article 5 protections aren't negotiable. Is there really political will to send young English or German people to die for Ukraine? I think we've seen the answer is no.

It's been said before in these threads, but the US focus on keeping the peace in Europe post-WW2 is not historically normal or really appropriate for a country on the other side of the ocean. China is a far greater threat to us than Russia and we don't have unlimited resources. I think the domestic challenges in the US are now on clear display. Plenty of people who aren't MAGA imbeciles think it's time for Europe to manage Europe.

Of course it was realistic once the war was over, but never with Trump as de facto leader of the alliance. A strong NATO with cast iron guarantees if Article 5 was invoked would have kept Russia in its box. A weak NATO where we know or strongly suspect Trump would renege on any treaties is worthless and would make little difference to Ukraine’s security. It’s obvious Putin is licking his lips and will be looking to invade elsewhere once he’s replenished his army post Ukraine, because he knows NATO is toothless with an unreliable lead member.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

I’d do the popcorn cat but this has serious implications for millions of people.

Madness.

 

[BTH]

Deary me.

 

[BlueHammer85]

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious"

Star Wars was lightyears ahead of its time...

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Is there anyone their that’s actually respected and not a total fruit loop ?

 

[west didsblue]

Deary me.

You might as well post a tweet from a random nutter in the pub as one from this bellend. Why do the BBC give these twats airtime? No doubt it’s down to their quest for impartiality where they allow nutters to have the same exposure as elected representatives.

 

[BTH]

You might as well post a tweet from a random nutter in the pub as one from this bellend. Why do the BBC give these twats airtime? No doubt it’s down to their quest for impartiality where they allow nutters to have the same exposure as elected representatives.

I don't know what's more depressing: giving narcissistic Enoch types like him a platform or the handful of fools applauding his bile.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Deary me.

which of his points are you in disagreement with - all sounded fair enough to me.its notable that he didn't mention Trumps approach to middle east foreign policy though.

 

[bluethrunthru]

You might as well post a tweet from a random nutter in the pub as one from this bellend. Why do the BBC give these twats airtime? No doubt it’s down to their quest for impartiality where they allow nutters to have the same exposure as elected representatives.

The BBC Board should be able to answer that one as they are the Tories in hock to Tufton St.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Is there anyone their that’s actually respected and not a total fruit loop ?

Bessent is hopefully going to be okay and Scott Turner at HUD, but Bessent has already said some troubling things about the Fed. I already expect Powell to become the lightning rod Fauci was.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

We elected Boris Johnston. We are not perfect.

Particularly on name spelling

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Interesting discussion from
Freddy Gray and Professor John Mearsheimer discussing Trump Gaza and Ukraine.

 

[lloydie]

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Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

— Matthew 6:19–21, 24 (KJV)

it goes on...
8 Let his days be few; and let another take his office.

9 Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.

10 Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places.

11 Let the extortioner catch all that he hath; and let the strangers spoil his labour.

12 Let there be none to extend mercy unto him: neither let there be any to favour his fatherless children.

13 Let his posterity be cut off; and in the generation following let their name be blotted out.

There's more...

 

[KS55]

The US defence budget is 3.5% of GDP.

 

[Match Fixer]

How does denying the outcome of a democratic vote and instigating a riot on the capital a belief in democracy?

Let the truth prevail, ie. the FBI & Pelosi let it happen, ignoring security advice and refused troop assistance. It was politicized, not to mention a stolen election, wait and see!

 

[Match Fixer]

it goes on...
8 Let his days be few; and let another take his office.

9 Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.

10 Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places.

11 Let the extortioner catch all that he hath; and let the strangers spoil his labour.

12 Let there be none to extend mercy unto him: neither let there be any to favour his fatherless children.

13 Let his posterity be cut off; and in the generation following let their name be blotted out.

There's more...

Biden's obituary in a nutshell.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Of course it was realistic once the war was over, but never with Trump as de facto leader of the alliance. A strong NATO with cast iron guarantees if Article 5 was invoked would have kept Russia in its box. A weak NATO where we know or strongly suspect Trump would renege on any treaties is worthless and would make little difference to Ukraine’s security. It’s obvious Putin is licking his lips and will be looking to invade elsewhere once he’s replenished his army post Ukraine, because he knows NATO is toothless with an unreliable lead member.

The USA is now a rogue state, no different to Russia. NATO will abide. Especially now they are in cahoots. It will adjust, and adapt. NATO isnt just America and the whole world order will adapt.

 

[meltonblue]

Let the truth prevail, ie. the FBI & Pelosi let it happen, ignoring security advice and refused troop assistance. It was politicized, not to mention a stolen election, wait and see!

Well you’ve got an apt user name at least…

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

The USA is now a rogue state, no different to Russia. NATO will abide. Especially now they are in cahoots. It will adjust, and adapt. NATO isnt just America and the whole world order will adapt.

About time. The role of nato and a coherent European defence policy should have been calmly addressed in the 90s when the cold War ended. With perhaps the strategic exception of nuclear detergent I don't expect the US to still be policing Europe.