The Labour Government

[Vic]

Din’t really care for Reeves or many of her policies, but the faux outrage about slightly blagging her LinkedIn profile, like 99% of its members, is quite something. It’s hardly fucking Watergate is it.

First question up on Question Time! Not Ukraine, not Gaza, not Trump Tariffs...

 

[Vic]

If you read the link you pasted surely you would know that they never claimed to be and the ruling was not made on that basis. The Ukrainian resettlement scheme ended a year ago so what do you reckon the "loopho!e" is that Starmer and Badenoch were shadow boxing over?

I think that'll be a tumbleweed moment.

"Offering feedback that nobody asked for..."

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Trying to sort the shitshow of failing governments, the current one is starting to piece things together.

Good on them, I say.

 

[liveandletdive]

Trying to sort the shitshow of failing governments, the current one is starting to piece things together.

Good on them, I say.

Hmm, I think youve been smoking something you shouldn't have, if you genuinely believe that.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Hmm, I think youve been smoking something you shouldn't have, if you genuinely believe that.

Not going to debate it with a lune, have a good night.

 

[liveandletdive]

Not going to debate it with a lune, have a good night.

No problem, but you've proven yourself to be a typical lefty, name calling and in denial. Good night, hopefully you'll get a good night's sleep, while pensioners are freezing, veterans sleeping in hotel doorways while illegal immigrants are tucked up warm, farmers committing suicide, and everyone else tax until we squeeze and squeak, good night.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

No problem, but you've proven yourself to be a typical lefty, name calling and in denial. Good night, hopefully you'll get a good night's sleep, while pensioners are freezing, veterans sleeping in hotel doorways while illegal immigrants are tucked up warm, farmers committing suicide, and everyone else tax until we squeeze and squeak, good night.

Yeah it’s awful what 14 years of Tory rule has done to the country, isn’t it?

 

[BlueHammer85]

No problem, but you've proven yourself to be a typical lefty, name calling and in denial. Good night, hopefully you'll get a good night's sleep, while pensioners are freezing, veterans sleeping in hotel doorways while illegal immigrants are tucked up warm, farmers committing suicide, and everyone else tax until we squeeze and squeak, good night.

Yeh, no hyperbole there at all.

Meanwhile I thought Reeves budget was going to crash the economy and the UK would implode?

Inflation down, growth up, mortage rates down, the pound strengthening ,NHS waiting lists going down, more tough measures and deportations of illegal migrants.

Not a bad week.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Din’t really care for Reeves or many of her policies, but the faux outrage about slightly blagging her LinkedIn profile, like 99% of its members, is quite something. It’s hardly fucking Watergate is it.

The right are shameless but much better organised in this respect. I'm still marvelling at the accusation that statmer crashed the economy within his first month in number 10.

 

[Vic]

The right are shameless but much better organised in this respect. I'm still marvelling at the accusation that statmer crashed the economy within his first month in number 10.

True.

GDP had halved in the quarter before the election - and expectations of worse to come probably was why Sunak called the election. And growth in December ("unexpected") of 0.4% quickly became a "sluggish 0.1% for the quarter". And the daft conclusion that a 0.1% fall in GDP per capita equates to "a fall in living standards" is just that, daft. Can anyone recall a fall in per capita GDP over the year before the election being reported as a fall in living standards?

I hope the Tories here would be honest. Have your living standards fallen since July?

 

[KDB Fan]

If you read the link you pasted surely you would know that they never claimed to be and the ruling was not made on that basis. The Ukrainian resettlement scheme ended a year ago so what do you reckon the "loopho!e" is that Starmer and Badenoch were shadow boxing over?

I read the link but Vic asked whether I'd read the judgment. I doubt even he's read the judgment and if he tells me he has, I still wouldn't believe him anyway. The crux of the judgment seems to be that a Gazan family have claimed asylum on a scheme specifically for Ukrainian people which almost everyone (including Sir Two-Tier himself) agrees is another warped example of judicial overreach.

That's why we need to get back to elected representatives deciding who comes into this country rather than activist children of Guardian writers:

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[Vic]

I read the link but Vic asked whether I'd read the judgment. I doubt even he's read the judgment and if he tells me he has, I still wouldn't believe him anyway. The crux of the judgment seems to be that a Gazan family have claimed asylum on a scheme specifically for Ukrainian people which almost everyone (including Sir Two-Tier himself) agrees is another warped example of judicial overreach.

That's why we need to get back to elected representatives deciding who comes into this country rather than activist children of Guardian writers:

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"I confidently now expect posts from people who haven't read the judgment."

I was wrong, only KDB Fan did it.

"Offering feedback that no-one has asked for..."

I've skim read the full judgment. Complicated....

You're right. Nowt really to do with the Ukrainian Scheme, so I'm not sure what "loophole" Starmer thinks can be closed. It might seem to stretch the "family life" argument (one man is now a British citizen and the claim was by his brother and family in Gaza) - but if the family were killed in Gaza that would be the end of family life. The judge explicitly rejected the argument that it would open "floodgates" for anyone in peril in conflict zones with a relative in the UK.

The judge in the earlier case said the danger was "as a consequence of the Israeli government's indiscriminate attempts to eliminate Hamas" (though the father in the family had worked for the Palestinian Authority so might himself be at risk from Hamas). The judge accepted the evidence that "the family were living under a summer tent which had been punctured by what appeared to be heavy machine-gun ammunition fired by Israeli forces. Torrential rain had resulted in the tent being flooded".

I confidently now expect posts from people who haven't read the judgment. I don't think Starmer can win this - if he hadn't read it, he wasn't in a position to say a loophole should be closed, and if he had read it I don't know how he could close a loophole based on various ECHR precedents. He must know that "hard cases make bad law". And selling the weapons to Israel that enable the IDF to machine gun tents doesn't help.

 

[KDB Fan]

"I confidently now expect posts from people who haven't read the judgment."

I was wrong, only KDB Fan did it.

"Offering feedback that no-one has asked for..."

So you've skim-read it and agree the judge is stretching (or perverting) the family life argument which is basically what everyone assumed anyway and happens day-in day-out with these immigration tribunals.

Looking forward to everyone being able to bring as many of their brothers and families to Britain from every warzone known to man whether elected representatives think that's a good idea or not.

 

[Vic]

So you've skim-read it and agree the judge is stretching (or perverting) the family life argument which is basically what everyone assumed anyway and happens day-in day-out with these immigration tribunals.

Looking forward to everyone being able to bring as many of their brothers and families to Britain from every warzone known to man whether elected representatives think that's a good idea or not.

You must have skim-read my summary. The judge explicitly rejected the argument that it would open "floodgates" for anyone in peril in conflict zones with a relative in the UK.

 

[stonerblue]

Only allow in the most highly skilled migrants that your infrastructure and housing can support and who are financially independent so they're not reliant upon social housing or benefits.

Also don't let people into the country if they're from countries with high levels of crime.

There you go ;)

They do the former already. you can go anywhere if you have enough money.

 

[stonerblue]

An example of what yu have to look forward to... Welsh Labour, in power for 26 years.

And it begins, the rats leaving the sinking ship that is the totalitarian regime in the Senedd.
After 26 years of total failure, which has resulted in us being poorer, our young being less educated, the Nation being less healthy, the elderly going cold and our homeless going without anything, all whilst vast amounts of our monies have been squandered and wasted on useless idiotic vanity projects no one supported or wanted,with our hard earned money being given away abroad, and wasted on lunatic fringe indulgences that have had absolutely no benefit for the people of Wales.
All whilst our own suffer, go cold, hungry and wait for treatment on our destroyed NHS.
Devolution was sold to us as a means to improve our lot, with less red tape, less bureaucracy, to make the system more efficient! What a sick joke that was!
Well done WAG, you have failed the very people you claim to support, all whilst indulging yourselves on every lunatic fringe whim your Cabal have dreamt up.
Although 20 mph is despised by all rational logical thinking people and viewed as the farce that it is, it was a great catalyst in the awakening of the masses here.
Your total control freakery was your ultimate undoing, and now the birds are well and truly coming home to roost.
Those who have seen the wood for the trees in your Dictatorship are now standing down before they are publicly humiliated when they loose their seats. You have only yourselves to blame.
By ignoring nearly 500,000 voters over your blanket implementation of the childlike 20 mph policy, you have committed political suicide.
I hope those responsible for the gross abuse of public monies and power are forced to face the music in the future once democracy is regained, never to be lost again.

and no windfarms in my backyard....

 

[KDB Fan]

You must have skim-read my summary. The judge explicitly rejected the argument that it would open "floodgates" for anyone in peril in conflict zones with a relative in the UK.

I read what you put. It doesn't mean that's true when another crank failed politician judge invokes the same reasoning.

 

[hcblue95]

I read what you put. It doesn't mean that's true when another crank failed politician judge invokes the same reasoning.

The judges are the cranks and not you... Right

 

[Brewster's millions]

True.

GDP had halved in the quarter before the election - and expectations of worse to come probably was why Sunak called the election. And growth in December ("unexpected") of 0.4% quickly became a "sluggish 0.1% for the quarter". And the daft conclusion that a 0.1% fall in GDP per capita equates to "a fall in living standards" is just that, daft. Can anyone recall a fall in per capita GDP over the year before the election being reported as a fall in living standards?

I hope the Tories here would be honest. Have your living standards fallen since July?

Come on now.

Growth isn’t simply about lines on a graph. It’s about the pounds in people’s pockets.

So if GDP falls on a per capita basis, it follows that the pounds in people’s pockets falls, and therefore living standards also fall.

Do you really think it’s daft to say that?

 

[KDB Fan]

The judges are the cranks and not you... Right

If he thinks you don't have the right to a family life if your brothers and dependents aren't living in the same country as you then yes he's a crank.