Away fans / tourists in home sections

Alex - City Matters said:
I was told that the intention was just Flexi Gold moving forward, but I believe they’ve since backtracked on that slightly and ‘haven’t decided.’

I actually had someone check it! That said, I spotted them straight after I’d shared it. Annoying, as I’m a stickler for this sort of thing.

The Club have agreed that Real Madrid can be the top item on the agenda for our meeting next Thursday. They said that they will share key information from their side. Clearly, that will be helpful, but as I said in my letter, I’ve heard enough platitudes about it being wrong. We need firm and transparent action, and that includes on wider (but related) items such as ticket pricing and policy.
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Yes, on this occasion, platitudes are insufficient. The club must outline a step-by-step strategy for dealing with this situation. More and more blues are becoming disillusioned, and we've become a laughing stock as a result of their ticketing policies. If they are not willing to provide you with a specific plan of action to remedy the current situation, it should be escalated further.

Personally, I believe the moment has come to launch a Soriano out campaign. It's astonishing how we've allowed our club to become the personal toy of a man who doesn't give a fuck about us and is gradually removing our identity and soul for a few extra pounds.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
City need to do more than just wash their hands of season ticket holders not joining the Cup Schemes and come up with something better than to just ignore local fans and list chunks of hundreds of tickets together on football tour sites when proper City fans can’t get two seats next to each other anywhere in the stadium buying through the club, never mind a family or group of mates.

City need to be more local, be more ‘Manchester’ (that is our name, afterall), do more to get more Mancunians going to CL games. And before you get your race card out again, that includes all Mancunians from anywhere in the city of any skin colour.

I live in Wythenshawe, Manchester’s biggest district by some distance, a district with shit loads of City fans, yet City are not a presence here at all. If you didn’t have a tele, the internet or smartphone and lived round here, you wouldn’t know City existed. They’re far more bothered about taking trophies and ex-players on tour to Boston and Bangkok than they are Baguley.

And while most people do have those things, and while many do go to City, there are also many across the whole city who find that they can’t afford both a season ticket and all the cup games so come out of the Cup Schemes… or if they don’t have a season ticket, they can’t afford £52.50 and £71 in the same week for Madrid and Newcastle so have to pick and choose.

I think it’s already gone too far but before they lose the lot of us, our boardroom need to travel to Germany and see how their clubs do it. Instead of following the American model and Madrid model of anybody from anywhere at any price, they need to learn how the German clubs look after their core fanbases. Bayern look after their fans much much better than City do yet still smash record revenue figures every year. City don’t have to ruin our support to hit the revenue they want to.

Liverpool have great initiatives for their local fans: 1 week before tickets go on sale to anyone else, people with an ‘L’ post code get to buy tickets first. Also, all children’s tickets are £9 in every stand (bar the new AR 2nd tier). On Saturday for City against Newcastle, children’s tickets start at £41. If our chikdren’s tickets cost £9, maybe a local Dad+lad could have gone to both Madrid and Newcastle games.
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We agree that a large number of City seasoncard holders are not going to the Cup games particularly the midweek games. And it is a big problem that affects the atmosphere and the character of the fanbase. We need to do something about this.

I think it's happening because:

1) It's difficult for anyone living 90 mins from the Etihad to make an evening KO
2) Season ticket holders are at their limit financially
3) We have won everything. There is a level of satisfaction and there is no longer that feeling that I must go to support City, because they know if they don't go, someone else will be in their seat.

And in the place of these blues are a mixture of young fans coming with their mum and dad for the FA Cup games, and local asians who form an increasing component of Manchester. You are from Wythenshawe. That's a white working class district of Manchester. I have lived in Moss Side, Rusholme, Victoria Park, and now I live in the city centre. At least 40% of this part of Manchester are Asian and many of them are ex-students and have money, and leisure time and go to watch City, especially if City are playing Real Madrid. Some may be football tourists, some are City fans. I can't say what the mix is. Manchester has changed a lot in the last 10 years, and that has en effect of City's fanbase especially on a midweek cup night. If you incentivise Manchester post-codes you will strengthen this trend. If it exists. This is my view.

If I understand you correctly, you think Citys traditional supporters are being replaced by tourists but I think you have failed to understand that Manchester now has a large confident Asian community that will go to the football if it wants.
 
Now not for one second would i swap out last 15 years for theirs. Of course i wouldnt.

But did anyone else feel a tinge of sadness watching 30 odd thousand evertonians , probably a fair chunk scouse (with a smattering of north welsh) go crazy at that equaliser. Made me really long for those fuckin awesome maine road nights
 
jrb said:
Even for Soriano, Danny, the other directors, the managers under them, and the bean counters at City, this thread has to be a sobering read and a wake up call, not they've all been sleep walking into this issue. Surely they can see where this is ultimately heading now and into the future?
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It is very obvious that a lot of seasoncard holders are not going to the Cup games particularly the midweek European games. Cost and travel are probably big factors. I want City to retain it's traditonal fans but I am also very happy to see City's fanbase growing rapidly.

Some City fans think the new fanbase are tourists and are a problem. I think we need as a fanbase to grow and inevitably City's fanbase is changed by success and changed by what is happening in Manchester. Manchester has a very large young population. I believe that they are now watching City when they can.

Almost certainly City's management are going to look at the size of the crowds and see the financial aspect first and foremost. I think they should factor in the atmosphere as an important part of retaining and growing the support. It's what makes football special.
 
Bluesince1979 said:
Now not for one second would i swap out last 15 years for theirs. Of course i wouldnt.

But did anyone else feel a tinge of sadness watching 30 odd thousand evertonians , probably a fair chunk scouse (with a smattering of north welsh) go crazy at that equaliser. Made me really long for those fuckin awesome maine road nights
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Yes and No. That's celebrating a draw against a dominant Liverpool side.

I don't like to see City fans priced out. That's what's going on. We are successful, and we are attracting a new shell of fans around us. Inevitably some are glory-hunters. We are going from free the 30,000 hard-core, Evertonian like, to 62k. We need the hard core and we need new fans. Not all the new fans are tourists. This is all very subjective.
 
jrb said:
Even for Soriano, Danny, the other directors, the managers under them, and the bean counters at City, this thread has to be a sobering read and a wake up call, not they've all been sleep walking into this issue. Surely they can see where this is ultimately heading now and into the future?
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It’s going to get a lot worse. Every top PL club are treating their fans like shit.

A red mate told me yesterday he had the cash for 2 cup games taken out on the same day this week (FA cup and Europa ) - one game they don’t know who they are playing and the other they didn’t know what day it was on.

Modern football is a joke and will eat itself up very soon.

Can see thousands dropping out of the CL scheme next season - leave it to the neutrals and tourists
 
jrb said:
Even for Soriano, Danny, the other directors, the managers under them, and the bean counters at City, this thread has to be a sobering read and a wake up call, not they've all been sleep walking into this issue. Surely they can see where this is ultimately heading now and into the future?
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Any idea if Danny ever visits this forum? (genuine question)

Obviously Soriano and the others won’t even know it exists, but would be interested to know if Wilson ever pops on to read what the ‘legacy fans’ think?
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
City need to do more than just wash their hands of season ticket holders not joining the Cup Schemes and come up with something better than to just ignore local fans and list chunks of hundreds of tickets together on football tour sites when proper City fans can’t get two seats next to each other anywhere in the stadium buying through the club, never mind a family or group of mates.

City need to be more local, be more ‘Manchester’ (that is our name, afterall), do more to get more Mancunians going to CL games. And before you get your race card out again, that includes all Mancunians from anywhere in the city of any skin colour.

I live in Wythenshawe, Manchester’s biggest district by some distance, a district with shit loads of City fans, yet City are not a presence here at all. If you didn’t have a tele, the internet or smartphone and lived round here, you wouldn’t know City existed. They’re far more bothered about taking trophies and ex-players on tour to Boston and Bangkok than they are Baguley.

I think it’s already gone too far but before they lose the lot of us, our boardroom need to travel to Germany and see how their clubs do it. Instead of following the American model and Madrid model of anybody from anywhere at any price, they need to learn how the German clubs look after their core fanbases. Bayern look after their fans much much better than City do yet still smash record revenue figures every year. City don’t have to ruin our support to hit the revenue they want to.

Liverpool have great initiatives for their local fans: 1 week before tickets go on sale to anyone else, people with an ‘L’ post code get to buy tickets first. Also, all children’s tickets are £9 in every stand (bar the new AR 2nd tier). On Saturday for City against Newcastle, children’s tickets start at £41. If our chikdren’s tickets cost £9, maybe a local Dad+lad could have gone to both Madrid and Newcastle games.
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If you have a link to a school or a community group I actually think it’s worth contacting City in the Community about establishing connections in Wythenshawe. There are club servants who genuinely care about the city and its young people, but attention shifted from south Manchester to east Manchester with the move. The danger is if we retreat from areas Man United Foundation, who are very active, will fill the gap. It’s a shame Cole Palmer went as he could have been our talisman for Wythenshawe in the way Rashy is for Northern Moor. This is separate from ticket prices but community presence is important to building a durable fanbase. I know there are a good number of us who might not have been Blues if City hadn’t been so active in the areas around Maine Road when we weren’t successful.
 
Alex - City Matters said:
I was told that the intention was just Flexi Gold moving forward, but I believe they’ve since backtracked on that slightly and ‘haven’t decided.’

I actually had someone check it! That said, I spotted them straight after I’d shared it. Annoying, as I’m a stickler for this sort of thing.

The Club have agreed that Real Madrid can be the top item on the agenda for our meeting next Thursday. They said that they will share key information from their side. Clearly, that will be helpful, but as I said in my letter, I’ve heard enough platitudes about it being wrong. We need firm and transparent action, and that includes on wider (but related) items such as ticket pricing and policy.
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Alex

Can you ask this question.

Why does the club allow the Hawkers to sell copyrighted and fake City merchandise on the edge of the Etihad campus, and around the perimeter of the stadium, especially half and half scarfs?

There's a large group of male hawkers at the top of the Metrolink steps, just on the other side of the Etihad Campus perimeter shouting constantly... "Get your half and half scarfs.....

People are trying to get up the steps, and the Hawkers are stopping people, selling scarfs, and getting in the way of people at the top of the steps.

They need to be moved on by City or by TfGM. City must know they are there.
 
Alex - City Matters said:
I was told that the intention was just Flexi Gold moving forward, but I believe they’ve since backtracked on that slightly and ‘haven’t decided.’

I actually had someone check it! That said, I spotted them straight after I’d shared it. Annoying, as I’m a stickler for this sort of thing.

The Club have agreed that Real Madrid can be the top item on the agenda for our meeting next Thursday. They said that they will share key information from their side. Clearly, that will be helpful, but as I said in my letter, I’ve heard enough platitudes about it being wrong. We need firm and transparent action, and that includes on wider (but related) items such as ticket pricing and policy.
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You could ask what the Champions League Cup scheme numbers are. Almost certainly they have slumped.

The free the 30,000 are stretched financially in supporting City. It would be good if City could reduce ticket prices and reward loyalty in ticket distribution.

It's also possible that there is some touting going on because somehow away fans are managing to buy up seats at the back of EL305 and other areas. The ticket criteria are very tight so it suggests they are being sold on.
 
Jazzyblue said:
If you have a link to a school or a community group I actually think it’s worth contacting City in the Community about establishing connections in Wythenshawe. There are club servants who genuinely care about the city and its young people, but attention shifted from south Manchester to east Manchester with the move. The danger is if we retreat from areas Man United Foundation, who are very active, will fill the gap. It’s a shame Cole Palmer went as he could have been our talisman for Wythenshawe in the way Rashy is for Northern Moor. This is separate from ticket prices but community presence is important to building a durable fanbase. I know there are a good number of us who might not have been Blues if City hadn’t been so active in the areas around Maine Road when we weren’t successful.
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I've noticed that the Man United foundation seem to be involved with more schools in the GM area now than us, once again the club have dropped the ball as far as local support goes, the really haven't got a clue and don't look at the bigger picture, screw them.
 
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