Electric cars

[Elbow beards]

In Denmark 23% of Tesla 3s are failing their first MOT, which is due after 5 years in DK.

That's because they're tesla's though not because they're electric.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

That's because they're tesla's though not because they're electric.

Calling Elmo a fantastic engineer is like saying Dennis Nielson was a great butcher.

 

[city2]

I can buy a brand new EV for £33k today that will do 0-60 MPH in just over 3 seconds. No ICE can can come close! :)


And why would you drive at that speed, you would probably loose control.

 

[Mr Grumpy]

In Denmark 23% of Tesla 3s are failing their first MOT, which is due after 5 years in DK.

And failing an mot after 5 years of driving in a tough environment is a surprise because what?

 

[beast]

Stupid rich **** complaining about shit expensive car.

 

[bluethrunthru]

retired naval meteorological officer over the road who is unsurprisingly big into tech and the environment is having a ground source heat pump installed plus solar on the roof. Loads of Octopus Energy vans (ev's) back and forth with technicians the last two days. Yesterday and today there have been recovery vehicles turn up to charge a van which one assumes is too low to get the techies home. Not sure that is sending a great message out though.

 

[DiscoSteve]

I’m sure you’re right. Everyone I know with a pure EV (not hybrid) only drives them due to tax incentives (subsidy). They are wonderful pieces of technology, great to drive etc but the anxiety and faff that goes with range (especially in winter) is a spoiler.
No one in their right mind would have one otherwise. There may be a few eco-zealots who would buy one to help the planet but truthfully given we (UK) produce >0.9% of global emissions it really makes no practical difference. I drive a hybrid which is pretty economical.

There is only anxiety/faff range if you have 'the wrong one'. I did indeed go for an EV under a Salary Sacrifice scheme simply because of the tax advantages, but I made sure I got the the longest range one available at the time (406 WLTP, real world 340) AND hilariously it goes like f**king stink. I do not have to worry about heaters/windscreen wipers/cold effect on battery - its range is easily long enough in every situation, and fast charging (for me sub 30 minutes) is enough everywhere in UK too now! And you're right about the global emissions nonsense, government (westminster and local) seem to think we generate 50% of the worlds total FFS - there's just three countries who need to sort their act out in this space - USA, China and India and we'll all be fine!

 

[DiscoSteve]

In Denmark 23% of Tesla 3s are failing their first MOT, which is due after 5 years in DK.

that's even worse than Ford Cortina's in the 1980's

 

[blueish swede]

And failing an mot after 5 years of driving in a tough environment is a surprise because what?

Harsh environmet is a matter of opinion, obviously. Denmark is very flat, has very little snow and doesn't really get below zero during the daytime. They is no requirement for winter tyres, like there is in Sweden.
The average across all cars is just under 10%.

 

[Barcon]

They're giving warnings on the news to anyone driving an electric car today.
Stay home. If you get caught in this snowstorm you might run out of battery before help can arrive.

 

[meltonblue]

I’m sure you’re right. Everyone I know with a pure EV (not hybrid) only drives them due to tax incentives (subsidy). They are wonderful pieces of technology, great to drive etc but the anxiety and faff that goes with range (especially in winter) is a spoiler.
No one in their right mind would have one otherwise. There may be a few eco-zealots who would buy one to help the planet but truthfully given we (UK) produce >0.9% of global emissions it really makes no practical difference. I drive a hybrid which is pretty economical.

I’ve got one for salary sacrifice reasons too. The only reason I wouldn’t buy one myself is the resale value, never had anxiety with range.

If I had the money to buy one and not be concerned about the resale value I would, simply because it’s the most fun car I’ve ever driven.

 

[Bill Walker]

They're giving warnings on the news to anyone driving an electric car today.
Stay home. If you get caught in this snowstorm you might run out of battery before help can arrive.

I wouldn't have one in snowy Canada but I'd have one here where it's always warm, plenty of solar too.
If the price comes down further I might take the plunge, could save quite a bit on petrol.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

retired naval meteorological officer over the road who is unsurprisingly big into tech and the environment is having a ground source heat pump installed plus solar on the roof. Loads of Octopus Energy vans (ev's) back and forth with technicians the last two days. Yesterday and today there have been recovery vehicles turn up to charge a van which one assumes is too low to get the techies home. Not sure that is sending a great message out though.

Sounds like he has got a lump sum he wants to spend or wants to make his house a good future investment for himself or his beneficiaries to me. How long has he been retired?

 

[NPBlue]

I can buy a brand new EV for £33k today that will do 0-60 MPH in just over 3 seconds. No ICE can can come close! :)


And why would you drive at that speed, you would probably loose control.

Lots of motorbikes can do that, and some, and won't cost anything like £33K.

It's a valid point though, about performance like that on the road. It's not that you would lose control, it's the simple fact it takes you into licence losing speeds so quickly.

I ride a bike that can get to 60 Mph in less than 3 seconds, which is more than fast enough, but what an engine with power and torque like that gives you is fast acceleration in all gears, making overtaking a breeze, even in top gear.

I'm not an idiot on the road, my licence hasn't been written on since 1984 and I obey the rules, but I like to make progress and have some fun when I'm on a ride without scaring myself. Power gives me the opportunity to pass a slow moving vehicle safely and swifly with just a gentle squeeze of the throttle, and then I'm off to enjoy the road ahead at my own pace.

I've never driven a very fast car like a Ferrari, but I would imagine it's much the same mindset as riding a very fast bike. You can't use all of the performace all the time on the road. You'd end up without a licence or kill yourself very quickly if you did, but just occasionally, yeah, I'd be lying if I said I didn't give the bike some beans when my assessment of the road ahead deemed it OK, and it's bloody good fun that never gets boring when I do.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Sounds like he has got a lump sum he wants to spend or wants to make his house a good future investment for himself or his beneficiaries to me. How long has he been retired?

about a year - he was with Fujutsu for a few years but prior to that was a meteorologist with the RN for about 30 years so I'd agree I suspect one pension or another has kicked in and he is using it wisely

 

[Mr Grumpy]

Lots of motorbikes can do that, and some, and won't cost anything like £33K.

It's a valid point though, about performance like that on the road. It's not that you would lose control, it's the simple fact it takes you into licence losing speeds so quickly.

I ride a bike that can get to 60 Mph in less than 3 seconds, which is more than fast enough, but what an engine with power and torque like that gives you is fast acceleration in all gears, making overtaking a breeze, even in top gear.

I'm not an idiot on the road, my licence hasn't been written on since 1984 and I obey the rules, but I like to make progress and have some fun when I'm on a ride without scaring myself. Power gives me the opportunity to pass a slow moving vehicle safely and swifly with just a gentle squeeze of the throttle, and then I'm off to enjoy the road ahead at my own pace.

I've never driven a very fast car like a Ferrari, but I would imagine it's much the same mindset as riding a very fast bike. You can't use all of the performace all the time on the road. You'd end up without a licence or kill yourself very quickly if you did, but just occasionally, yeah, I'd be lying if I said I didn't give the bike some beans when my assessment of the road ahead deemed it OK, and it's bloody good fun that never gets boring when I do.

Bingo.

Those who crap on EVs having never driven one, don't get to see these (rather considerable) advantages.

Motorway driving for example; doing 70 in your 2.0 mondeo and overtaking a truck will have you dropping a gear, and gunning it and then changing back up and so on. It's a motorway, not the nurburgring so it's a pita after a while.

Ev? Just press the go button. Done.
So much more responsive (no torque curve here). So much safer.

 

[inbetween]

Bingo.

Those who crap on EVs having never driven one, don't get to see these (rather considerable) advantages.

Motorway driving for example; doing 70 in your 2.0 mondeo and overtaking a truck will have you dropping a gear, and gunning it and then changing back up and so on. It's a motorway, not the nurburgring so it's a pita after a while.

Ev? Just press the go button. Done.
So much more responsive (no torque curve here). So much safer.

Yep. Much of the anti-EV sentiment is a load of tripe coming from people who are frightened of change.

It's the same people who reckon that EV's have an 8 year battery guarantee and so that must mean that the battery instantly spontaneously combusts as soon as they hit 8 years which is nonsense.

It's the same people who repeat crap like EV's are too heavy. My Model 3 weighs around 1800kg which indeed is heavy but it isn't too heavy. Big SUV's like Range Rovers weigh at least half a ton more than that and I haven't heard them calling to ban Range Rovers yet....

A lot also mention range anxiety which I did have at first but I realised it's not a problem. You realise eventually that we live on an island where at best you can only physically travel 200-300 miles in one go and most people are doing that once a year and not everyday. There is therefore no real reason for EV's to have a greater range than this given it costs more and at worse you can always stop and charge back up to full in less than 20 minutes.

I've never regretted my EV once, the only single problem with them is they're expensive but that is offset a lot by the savings that you make in no servicing or fuel. It has cost me £220 to charge up my car over 2 years. I hired a van last week and nearly had a heart attack when I had to fill it up for £70!

 

[BimboBob]

Yep. Much of the anti-EV sentiment is a load of tripe coming from people who are frightened of change.

It's the same people who reckon that EV's have an 8 year battery guarantee and so that must mean that the battery instantly spontaneously combusts as soon as they hit 8 years which is nonsense.

It's the same people who repeat crap like EV's are too heavy. My Model 3 weighs around 1800kg which indeed is heavy but it isn't too heavy. Big SUV's like Range Rovers weigh at least half a ton more than that and I haven't heard them calling to ban Range Rovers yet....

A lot also mention range anxiety which I did have at first but I realised it's not a problem. You realise eventually that we live on an island where at best you can only physically travel 200-300 miles in one go and most people are doing that once a year and not everyday. There is therefore no real reason for EV's to have a greater range than this given it costs more and at worse you can always stop and charge back up to full in less than 20 minutes.

I've never regretted my EV once, the only single problem with them is they're expensive but that is offset a lot by the savings that you make in no servicing or fuel. It has cost me £220 to charge up my car over 2 years. I hired a van last week and nearly had a heart attack when I had to fill it up for £70!

And for those people who don't have a driveway? Or can only afford a couple of grand on a car?

 

[He’stheleftbackremember]

Nearly got run over by a Tesla today. They are very quiet and accelerate very quickly. A normal EV accelerates like a super car. I bet more people get knocked down by them then ice cars.

 

[Really_here]

Lots of motorbikes can do that, and some, and won't cost anything like £33K.

It's a valid point though, about performance like that on the road. It's not that you would lose control, it's the simple fact it takes you into licence losing speeds so quickly.

I ride a bike that can get to 60 Mph in less than 3 seconds, which is more than fast enough, but what an engine with power and torque like that gives you is fast acceleration in all gears, making overtaking a breeze, even in top gear.

I'm not an idiot on the road, my licence hasn't been written on since 1984 and I obey the rules, but I like to make progress and have some fun when I'm on a ride without scaring myself. Power gives me the opportunity to pass a slow moving vehicle safely and swifly with just a gentle squeeze of the throttle, and then I'm off to enjoy the road ahead at my own pace.

I've never driven a very fast car like a Ferrari, but I would imagine it's much the same mindset as riding a very fast bike. You can't use all of the performace all the time on the road. You'd end up without a licence or kill yourself very quickly if you did, but just occasionally, yeah, I'd be lying if I said I didn't give the bike some beans when my assessment of the road ahead deemed it OK, and it's bloody good fun that never gets boring when I do.

Been biking myself since the mid 70's and I 'only' have an old VFR800 these days but that's plenty fast enough for me. Some of the latest bikes are completely over the top with 200+ mph top speeds and prices wayyy over 30k with ridiculously over complex electronics and even 'downforce wings' now! There is a worrying decline in bike sales and most 'superbikes' are bought by older riders who from what I've seen spend most of the time posing to each other and never speed. Even those riders are now downsizing to smaller cheaper simpler machines. You're dead right it is bloody good fun and such a shame that youngsters these days will miss the fun I had growing up with bikes in the heady days of reasonablly cheap bikes and petrol, no cameras etc.