City launch legal action against the Premier League | Club & PL reach settlement | Proceedings dropped (p1147)

[Omar the King]

The following has been in the 115 charges FAQs thread since January 2024.

“If fraud is alleged, why haven’t City been charged by the criminal authorities?

It would have been unusual for (say) the Serious Fraud Office to commence an investigation in a case like this where what is alleged is a breach of the PL’s internal rules. However they tend not to announce it from the rooftops when they are commencing an investigation, especially if that would result in (for instance) evidence being destroyed.

If the charges are proved (and there is no appeal), it is quite probable that a criminal allegation would be launched. Given how high-profile this case is, it would be difficult for the SFO to resist the pressure to launch their own investigation.

However, the standard of proof in a criminal case is even higher – it is beyond reasonable doubt – and the age of some of the charges means that it would be very difficult to persuade a jury that the accounts signed off 12 or 13 years ago were knowingly/fraudulently mis-stated. Moreover, if City lost it is almost inevitable that there would be an appeal, which would mean that the events in question were even more historic.

Never say never, but criminal charges seems very very unlikely even if the PL charges are successful.“

What could Manchester City have been guilty of in the real world? If companies in Abu Dhabi received money from external parties to sponsor Manchester City, it wouldn’t be a crime in England as long as the revenue was properly recorded, would it?

 

[KS55]

Admittedly I've not read every inch of this thread, so perhaps you could repeat your answer, as it'll save the back & forth. Why haven't the police, HMRC, SFO & Companies House investigated City in respect to our alleged fraud & criminality (to our knowledge)?

I'll wait...

Nope. Do your own homework, lazy sod. Try using search.

 

[give it to gordon]

My head hurts lol

We have some parts of the press/media saying City won huge victory
We have some parts of the press/media saying City won a little bit.
We have posts saying we smashed the pl.
We have posts saying its a sort of win.

I am totally confused.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Difficult to decide if he's the worst Client journalist shill ,or it's Herbert, Delaney,Cross x2,Wilson,Roney,Ducker,McConnell, Jackson, Curtis x2,Winter,Roan,Stone Cunningham,Slot,Sweeney or he's just a Rag ba*****!
Apologies if I've missed anybody out from our objective media!

I wonder what the collective noun for media shills is…

 

[Coatigan]

Well perhaps you'd like to step in & explain what Stefan has claimed for him & why the authorities haven't yet descended on the Etihad regarding our alleged criminality?

Answer me this simple question & perhaps the whole premise of FFP, PSR & APT will become clear.

On a final note, can you show me which points I've disagreed with him on? Thanks in advance.

Or perhaps if you wish to stick your beak in, you can take up the mantle & tell me why after all the Serious accusations of criminal fraud levied against us, why none of the statutory bodies are beating a path to the Etihad's doors, carrying out investigations, making arrests & prosecuting City?

It's a simple enough question & one which gets to the heart of the accusations levied against us & the industry that seems to have sprouted up around it.

I'll wait...

I can literally think of 8500+ better things to do.

You are also on the wrong thread btw.

 

[Dribble]

While you're waiting, have a read of the FAQ's in the 115 thread.

I did & they weren't conclusive. If they were, many more people would be less terrified about our fate.

And there's also the public approach to these matters by some on this forum & in the media that doesn't sit right with me. EG, Why isn't the answer you say is in the FAQ's front & centre of our narrative so we can cut to the chase of what this is really about?

 

[Dribble]

Will you wait?

I've been waiting this long, a little while longer won't make much difference. :-)

 

[Chris in London]

Thank you!

Does this also apply to the other statutory authorities too?

Does this also suggest/confirm there's a world of difference between PL rules & UK Law & the two aren't mutually exclusive?

Yes. There are two basic possibilities. (1) They think there might be something might be worth investing but have decided to wait and see. (2) They have looked at it and think there is no way they could prove criminality to the requisite standard. I have no idea which.

As to your second question, no it doesn’t

 

[Chris in London]

What could Manchester City have been guilty of in the real world? If companies in Abu Dhabi received money from external parties to sponsor Manchester City, it wouldn’t be a crime in England as long as the revenue was properly recorded, would it?

Please, read the 115 FAQs thread

I bumped it so it’s easy to find

 

[bluemonkey71]

If you’re asking this you’ve ended up in a set 1 class by accident when you should be in detention for eating all the felt tips.

Well its sometimes tricky to find the information when a lot of the conversations are about people getting told to fuck off :) We shall see what happens in APT2.

 

[Dribble]

Nope. Do your own homework, lazy sod. Try using search.

And there you have it. You stick your beak in & you haven't got a clue either.

I've watched as life-long Blues are losing their minds fearing for City's future based on the accusations & predictions of doom if we're found in breach. Have you ever considered our fans in all this?

An industry has literally sprung up regarding City & FFP, & it's beyond time imo that we cut to the chase with this nonsense & shine the spotlight on UEFA & The PL's obvious witch hunt against us.

They're making football shit for the majority just to protect the minority & I've had enough of it.

 

[Dribble]

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I can literally think of 8500+ better things to do.

You are also on the wrong thread btw.

So after all the blather, it's a no then?

It's been emotional... ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠⊙⁠_⁠ʖ⁠⊙⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

 

[Omar the King]

Please, read the 115 FAQs thread

I bumped it so it’s easy to find

Cheers, great thread. So, it's safe to say that it is highly unlikely that our board, CFO and auditors will be charged by the criminal authorities for anything related to the 115 case.

 

[Chris in London]

Cheers, great thread. So, it's safe to say that it is highly unlikely that our board, CFO and auditors will be charged by the criminal authorities for anything related to the 115 case.

Not completely safe, but bloody unlikely

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

A statement was read out on sky where City described the result as “seismic”.

Seems a little strange that there doesn’t seem to be a any written version of this statement.

One might start questioning the veracity of it.

 

[Dribble]

Yes. There are two basic possibilities. (1) They think there might be something might be worth investing but have decided to wait and see. (2) They have looked at it and think there is no way they could prove criminality to the requisite standard. I have no idea which.

As to your second question, no it doesn’t

Thanks again.

Would the above cover UEFA's accusations against City?

The first I heard of investigations into City was in 2013 by UEFA. Given the timescale, wouldn't an investigation by the authorities be completed by now?

Have the authorities ever been asked if they've investigated City, & if so would they answer that question in the public interest?

 

[waspish]

Seems a little strange that there doesn’t seem to be a any written version of this statement.

One might start questioning the veracity of it.

Maybe someone at sky rang city and a junior office working there answered the phone "This is sky can we have your reaction of the apt outcome?" "Seismic" puts phone down! [emoji23]

 

[The blue phantom]

excuse me interrupting the flow here but has our club's official statement on this judgement been discussed at all? Has anyone even seen it?

This was still up on the official site until about an hour ago.

 

[KS55]

And there you have it. You stick your beak in & you haven't got a clue either.

I've watched as life-long Blues are losing their minds fearing for City's future based on the accusations & predictions of doom if we're found in breach. Have you ever considered our fans in all this?

An industry has literally sprung up regarding City & FFP, & it's beyond time imo that we cut to the chase with this nonsense & shine the spotlight on UEFA & The PL's obvious witch hunt against us.

They're making football shit for the majority just to protect the minority & I've had enough of it.

Ok try this for size. How cogent in a criminal case would evidence from a civil action for breach of contract be? Think, man, think.
That’s your last answer from me. Fuck me you can’t even use search to find my previous answers. You are fake. You have no real concern just the need to be rude and obnoxious. You never answered my “ whoosh” or even looked up the Serious Fraud Office proposed change of policy and powers to go with it which I pointed you towards.
You do nothing of substance, just throw your petty ego around.

 

[applecentral]

Will be pumping out my wrong analysis on TalkSport with Henry Winter and Shaun Custis at 10 tomorrow. Make sure you miss it x

Stefan,

I missed your talksport program. Is there a link so I can watch it again. Don’t let people get you down. There are lots of us here you hold you in high esteem and respect your intellect regarding legal matters. In fact on this blog there are several learned people who have great input into the debate.
I urge one and all to respect every posters opinions and to not attack people whose opinion may differ from yours. With the 115 charges result due in soon I for one will be looking for Stefans opinions and others who are far more knowledgeable than myself.
We are all together fighting the Cartel. I see signs it’s all going to end up in City’s favour and the Cartel clubs will be facing potential lawsuits and investigations. The Red Cartel will rule the day they took on The Behemoth that Man City has become.