Russian invasion of Ukraine

I doubt putin would agree to tens of thousands of European NATO troops in Ukraine. Why would he??

putin has been complimented into driver's seat now by trump.
putin will demand more and more while negotiating, that's what he likes. If he doesn't get it all, he will fire another rocket into the next hospital and restarts the meat grinder for some more weeks to produce dramatic pictures and put pressure on negotiations to agree to all putin wants.

I also doubt Europe will find a way to agree to send such a huge robust contingent. And how long would it stay, forever? More costs...
Most European societies aren't ready to go to war at all, and putin is aware. Individualism and egoist lifestyle has gone too far. The political debate would disrupt Europe, putin's next priority.

Without US support it won't happen. Sadly. IMO.
 
mrcunny said:
I had to laugh what an American said about Trump....The EU hates us,Canada hates us,Mexico hates us but Russia loves us.Thats how good Trumps doing.
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He's got no choice but to padder to putin, when the poison dwarf has the videotape of Trump pissing on prostitutes in a Moscow hotel in 2014.
 
Wayne.JS said:
He's got no choice but to padder to putin, when the poison dwarf has the videotape of Trump pissing on prostitutes in a Moscow hotel in 2014.
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He won’t give a shit about that. If it came out he’d either pretend it was AI or be proud of it. Either way his supporters won’t drop him. Might have made a difference in 2016 but not now.
 
mrcunny said:
Ive not noticed that at all. All the ones ive spoken to think Trumps a dick but has got a point about nations not spending enough on arms.Take for instance France has just started to pay 2% and Germany will take a few more years to achieve this..
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Germany has reached the 2% in 2025. The potential future chancellors are discussing rates of 3% to 5%. Realistically it will be around 3% as long as the SPD is somehow involved and it will grow over several years but it's already at 2%.

Also, Germany delivered 10000 drones.
 
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Putin makes it abundantly clear that Europe and the EU are not invited to the talks and his spokesman slams us in a speech.

For a guy who claims the war is all about NATO creep I’ve no clue how any talks will lead to NATO troops being allowed near his border as peacekeepers and worryingly, the rhetoric from Russia that Ukraine must become a demilitarised zone is clearly never going to be acceptable to anyone, Putin aside who I’ve no doubt would abuse that and walk in again whenever he felt like it.

The world waits to hear what comes out of Saudi Arabia but they’re not peace talks, it’s an attempted carve up I fear.
 
Elbow beards said:
I just can't get over this. Why do the yanks think they have any right to discuss what happens to a sovereign state without inviting them?
Effectively the US have invaded Ukraine by using Russian troops.
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We can only hope that there's some back channel stuff that we are not aware of.

Didn't the Polish Foreign (Defence?) Minister say the other day that he's seen the US negotiating stance and whilst it's risky, it's bold (or something like that).

I agree that it doesn't look good, but there may be some vital pieces of info that we are all in the dark about.

And until I hear otherwise, I've got faith that Starmer, Macron, Scholz and co. will do the right thing by Zelensky.
 
If peace is somehow achieved and putin remains in power how long before another dissident is murdered in the UK ?
The Salisbury Novickok poisonings weren't the first and only Russian terrorist attack to happen in this country, they were just the first to be widely publicised.
In 2006 Alexander Litvinenko was poisoned with radioactive polonium.
They used to just hang them from London Bridge, I presume they got bored with that method.
This isn't just about peace in Ukraine, it is the whole of Europe that needs to remember who the enemy is.
 
blueinsa said:
Putin makes it abundantly clear that Europe and the EU are not invited to the talks and his spokesman slams us in a speech.

For a guy who claims the war is all about NATO creep I’ve no clue how any talks will lead to NATO troops being allowed near his border as peacekeepers and worryingly, the rhetoric from Russia that Ukraine must become a demilitarised zone is clearly never going to be acceptable to anyone, Putin aside who I’ve no doubt would abuse that and walk in again whenever he felt like it.

The world waits to hear what comes out of Saudi Arabia but they’re not peace talks, it’s an attempted carve up I fear.
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Putin wants all NATO troops to leave the "old" Soviet Empire countries.

Slava Ukraini.
 
RUSSIA ISN’T SERIOUS ABOUT PEACE TALKS
The list of negotiators and stated aims from the Kremlin indicate that other than Lavarov, none of the team Russia is sending is talking about peace and have no close relationship with Putin. Russia’s own briefing notes indicate they are there to ‘re-establish a relationship with the United States’.

This means they are trying to lay pre-conditions before they really talk, and I’d bet they will ask for certain sanctions to be lifted as a gesture of goodwill. Of course that would be a mistake. They also state that they are only preparing the ground for a possible 47/Putin summit.

In addition yet more Kremlin bile has been directed at the sovereign nature of Ukraine - which they have stepped up trying to make it seem like it never existed as a nation. This has to be ignored as completely irrelevant. Delegitimising governments, ethnicities and so on has long been a Kremlin ruse.

Overall Russia is not seriously
engaging. If the Americans think they’re there to talk peace they’re in for a rude awakening. This is what Russia does.
Drag things out, put impossible asks on the table and look shocked when you seem surprised because surely, you know how important this is to them?
That makes you think you have to do more to get them to even engage.
Every last point will be ‘but we cannot do without this, it’s impossible’. And every time you give an inch they will take a mile.
Nobody from the US side is ready for what’s going to be laid on them.

The Analyst
Slava Ukraine !
 
✈️ Greece to hand over all 32 F-16 Block 30 to Ukraine — Le Monde. Information about Greek F-16s for Ukraine has resurfaced, but it turned out to be old and speculative

According to the French publication LeMonde, Greece plans to transfer its 32 F-16 block30 fighters to Ukraine. At the same time, this article repeats word for word information from 2024, which stated the same thing, but which was denied by the Greek Prime Minister.

▪️After the information surfaced again, it was refuted by the Greek publication OnAlert , which stated that Greece is not going to sell its F-16s at all, even in the future, as it has decided to modernize them. @Ukrainejournal
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Good job Donald is here to bang heads together and force the issues eh? We need someone to be proactive and take action.... albeit 100% of people are not going to agree with what he says/proposes.
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Of all the most stupid things I've read on here, this is right up there. Well played.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Good job Donald is here to bang heads together and force the issues eh? We need someone to be proactive and take action.... albeit 100% of people are not going to agree with what he says/proposes.
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tbh I have an open mind. I think he might actually be good at negotiating deals, just by being a dickhead if you know what I mean.
Sometimes a fresh approach is needed, it will be interesting to see if he makes any progress, but I expect even if he does it will be short term and come undone in laters years. We will see.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
tbh I have an open mind. I think he might actually be good at negotiating deals, just by being a dickhead if you know what I mean.
Sometimes a fresh approach is needed, it will be interesting to see if he makes any progress, but I expect even if he does it will be short term and come undone in laters years. We will see.
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I read this sort of thing and just despair. How anyone can watch Trump Vance and Musk openly support neo-Nazis in Germany, Putin in Russia and Tommy Robinson here and conclude that yeah, those guys are playing 4D chess to get a good deal here is completely beyond me.

We're doomed!
 
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