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WT86 said:
Agreed. The popularity of Reform/AfD/National Rally etc. should make it clear that there's a social malaise and anxiety in Europe that's deeper than bleedthrough from Musk or Trump. The Democrats didn't address that anxiety sufficiently and look where we are now.
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The far right were popular in Burnley a few years ago. They won several council seats. Lasted no longer than the next election. I expect the popularity of Reform to be equally ephemeral.
 
Dax777 said:
You should hear what the Brits who are here say :)

But as a matter of factual reality, it almost likely the case, you are freer in the States. If we go by the effects of the laws both countries have.

I think what you have over there are people on the left feeling freer because there is greater restrictions on those who disagree with them. But that's a false barometer of freedom.

The real test is how free are the people, you don't agree with, to disagree with you?
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“Factual reality”, utter drivel. Based on what? Are women free to choose abortions?
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
<citation needed>

Edit, just had a quick Google search. Seems 3,000 people were arrested, around 30 charged and 17 convicted.
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And they were convicted of hate speech. That’s not ok here and shouldn’t be anywhere. Note that if in the US I call someone a paedophile with no evidence it is likely to be not actionable.
 
Dax777 said:
Banning? No! Your propaganda has misinformed you again :)

The AP hasn't been banned. They are still at the Whitehouse and attend briefings and ask questions and sit exactly where they've always sat.

However, there are reporters from different media houses that form the press gaggle (an informal press briefing crew) who are allowed to follow the President around for informal impromptu exchanges with the President. Members of different large media groups rotate being part of that gaggle. Its a privilege given by the Presidential team and that privilege has been withdrawn from the AP.

There are no rules that says you should privilege those who you don't like. The AP can join the ranks of every regular reporter and get their impromptu info 2nd hand like all the other media services who aren't part of the privileged gaggle.

Again, we learn something everyday :)
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Precisely what Nixon did to Dorothy McArdle at the Post regarding social events, a parallel I am guessing you knew nothing about.

But it does makes sense. Cherry-picking the periodic misstatements of others while ignoring the central calamities and suffering and bald-faced outright lies all around you is very, very Ron Ziegler-esque.

He went down with the ship too.
 
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MillionMilesAway said:
that's not helpful as a response! I was referring to your post about 3-4 above, and asking who you were referring to.



Me:
who are you referring to as a Trump lover?
Carla Sands? definitely.
ChicagoBlue? ridiculous
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It's not difficult, really. Frankly, I'm not helping you.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Precisely what Nixon did to Dorothy McArdle at the Post regarding social events, a parallel I am guessing you knew nothing about.

But it does makes sense. Cherry-picking the periodic misstatements of others while ignoring the central calamities and suffering and bald-faced outright lies all around you is very, very Ron Ziegler-esque.

He went down with the ship too.
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Your 'likes' are on the way:)
 
Dax777 said:
Your 'likes' are on the way:)
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You'll get one from me if you publish your mea culpa. You'll eventually know you should, but whether you actually will is anyone's guess. Hopefully before the midterms.

Some of the Brits in here who argued with us before are already backpedaling as they confront the Putin/Trump sandwich they've suddenly realiz(s)ed they're in.

And it's only been a month.
 
KS55 said:
Yep and it is propaganda to say there is a restriction on that here. Why do seemingly intelligent people believe this nonsense. I asked @ChicagoBlue for examples. None forthcoming yet.
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Free speech laws in the U.S. and the U.K. differ significantly due to their legal frameworks and historical contexts. Here are the key differences:

1. Constitutional Protection vs. Parliamentary Law

U.S.: Free speech is explicitly protected under the First Amendment of the Constitution, which prevents the government from restricting speech, with limited exceptions (e.g., incitement to violence, defamation, and true threats).

U.K.: There is no single constitutional provision guaranteeing free speech. Instead, it is protected under common law, the Human Rights Act 1998, and European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) Article 10, but with broader limitations.


2. Hate Speech Laws

U.S.: Hate speech is generally protected unless it incites imminent violence or includes direct threats.

U.K.: Hate speech is criminalized under laws like the Public Order Act 1986 and the Communications Act 2003, making it illegal to stir up racial, religious, or homophobic hatred.


3. Defamation Laws

U.S.: Plaintiffs in defamation cases, especially public figures, must prove actual malice (knowledge of falsehood or reckless disregard for the truth), making lawsuits harder to win.

U.K.: Defamation laws are stricter, and the burden is on the defendant to prove the truth of a statement. The Defamation Act 2013 introduced reforms, but it is still easier to sue for libel in the U.K. than in the U.S.


4. Online Speech and Social Media Regulations

U.S.: Platforms are generally shielded from liability for user-generated content under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, though there are debates over reform.

U.K.: The Online Safety Act 2023 introduces stricter regulation on tech companies, requiring them to remove harmful content, including legal but "harmful" speech.


5. Protests and Public Order

U.S.: The right to peaceful assembly is strongly protected, though local governments can impose reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions.

U.K.: The Public Order Act 1986 and Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act 2022 allow authorities to restrict protests based on noise, disruption, or risk of disorder, giving police broader powers than in the U.S.


6. Blasphemy and Religious Speech

U.S.: Blasphemy laws do not exist, and religious criticism is fully protected.

U.K.: The last blasphemy laws were abolished in 2008, but laws against religious hatred (e.g., Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006) can still limit certain types of speech.


Conclusion

The U.S. has broader free speech protections due to the First Amendment, while the U.K. places greater emphasis on balancing speech with protections against harm (e.g., hate speech and defamation laws). This makes speech in the U.K. more regulated, particularly in online spaces and public protests.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
<citation needed>

Edit, just had a quick Google search. Seems 3,000 people were arrested, around 30 charged and 17 convicted.
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A longer google search might reveal more.

Bottom line - would you rather be in the UK criticising Starmer or in Russia criticising Putin? (Or in Salisbury minding your own business while Putin is poisoning the place?
 
Vic said:
A longer google search might reveal more.

Bottom line - would you rather be in the UK criticising Starmer or in Russia criticising Putin? (Or in Salisbury minding your own business while Putin is poisoning the place?
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You've missed the point....




Again!!!
 
Vic said:
A longer google search might reveal more.

Bottom line - would you rather be in the UK criticising Starmer or in Russia criticising Putin? (Or in Salisbury minding your own business while Putin is poisoning the place?
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The figures don’t really matter to me. It’s what they were convicted of. It’s gone through our legal system and they’ve been found guilty.

Your bottom line is far more pertinent.
 
COVID and the ensuing lockdown really fucked with people's heads in a way that will be studied for generations.

People acting like fucking 12 year olds, arguing about who has more freedom. None of you soft cunts know what oppression feels like. Apart maybe that Chinese guy, but I've not seen him post anything for a while.
 
MCFC1993 said:
Siding with Russia over Ukraine is fucking grim whichever way you try and dress it up. Money over morals.

Lining his pockets by saving the Russian economy, helping Putin and fucking over Ukraine.

It's on Europe to make this impossible for Trump.

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Zelensky a dictator but Putin's just a stand up guy? Get in the fucking bin.
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The speed of response, its length and its childishness, all point to the fact that Zelenskyy was 100% on target with his comments. He needs to keep nailing it home, that this **** is Putin’s puppet.
 
KS55 said:
The far right were popular in Burnley a few years ago. They won several council seats. Lasted no longer than the next election. I expect the popularity of Reform to be equally ephemeral.
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I hope you're right. That said, National Rally and the like have shown clear staying power.
 
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