President Trump

jma said:
I rarely get involved in these threads but - take the politics out of it - this guy, Dax, has a long term pattern of behaviour, even when discussing football, that points to some sort of personality disorder. That’s an view that was widespread before he ever started demonstrating his love for Trump.

Is it sny surprise that someone with what seems like an inability to empathise with others in a debate on any topic is attracted to Trump and the associated style of politics and rhetoric?

Of course not, people with those sort of problems tend to flock to him.
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On the plus side, the site has a (much underused) ignore function.
 
jma said:
I rarely get involved in these threads but - take the politics out of it - this guy, Dax, has a long term pattern of behaviour, even when discussing football, that points to some sort of personality disorder. That’s an view that was widespread before he ever started demonstrating his love for Trump.

Is it sny surprise that someone with what seems like an inability to empathise with others in a debate on any topic is attracted to Trump and the associated style of politics and rhetoric?

Of course not, people with those sort of problems tend to flock to him.
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I honestly don’t know why people bother engaging with them.
 
jma said:
I rarely get involved in these threads but - take the politics out of it - this guy, Dax, has a long term pattern of behaviour, even when discussing football, that points to some sort of personality disorder. That’s an view that was widespread before he ever started demonstrating his love for Trump.

Is it sny surprise that someone with what seems like an inability to empathise with others in a debate on any topic is attracted to Trump and the associated style of politics and rhetoric?

Of course not, people with those sort of problems tend to flock to him.
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I don’t agree with him the vast majority of the time on Trump but I don’t agree with you here either.

It’s classic Bluemoon political thread tactics of you either agree with me wholeheartedly or I will stick you into a convenient box and call you thick, stupid, racist and I will even suggest you have mental issues.

He gets dogs abuse on here for being a republican who voted for and supports Trump. He then gives back with more than a hint of sarcasm in his posts.

You want empathy from him but show him none but let’s cut to the chase here, you don’t want empathy, you just don’t want anyone offering a different opinion.

I engaged with him the other night, made it quite clear I disagreed with him but I didn’t feel the need to then abuse him.
 
jma said:
I rarely get involved in these threads but - take the politics out of it - this guy, Dax, has a long term pattern of behaviour, even when discussing football, that points to some sort of personality disorder. That’s an view that was widespread before he ever started demonstrating his love for Trump.

Is it sny surprise that someone with what seems like an inability to empathise with others in a debate on any topic is attracted to Trump and the associated style of politics and rhetoric?

Of course not, people with those sort of problems tend to flock to him.
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Trump got 50% of the vote. The HARD right in Germany will probably get at least 20%, the HARD right in France is probably 25%, Italy voted for a right wing government. The UK is close to 50/50 right/left. We could all live in our comfortable little bubbles talking only to like minded people and dismissing the 'outsiders' of our bubble as stupid but that, I think, would be wrong. We all need to live in the real world and the real world has alternative views held by people who can vote. You have to debate your political opponents not just 'virtually' ban them so their view cannot be aired. Trying to ban political discussion by opponents is not the way forward.
 
blueinsa said:
I don’t agree with him the vast majority of the time on Trump but I don’t agree with you here either.

It’s classic Bluemoon political thread tactics of you either agree with me wholeheartedly or I will stick you into a convenient box and call you thick, stupid, racist and I will even suggest you have mental issues.

He gets dogs abuse on here for being a republican who voted for and supports Trump. He then gives back with more than a hint of sarcasm in his posts.

You want empathy from him but show him none but let’s cut to the chase here, you don’t want empathy, you just don’t want anyone offering a different opinion.

I engaged with him the other night, made it quite clear I disagreed with him but I didn’t feel the need to then abuse him.
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Excellent post. What we want and need is open political debate where we can all state our view and perhaps not win but move our 'opponent' closer to our own viewpoint by the power of our arguments (usually we fail). You cannot simply just ignore anyone.
 
Palerider said:
Excellent post. What we want and need is open political debate where we can all state our view and perhaps not win but move our 'opponent' closer to our own viewpoint by the power of our arguments (usually we fail). You cannot simply just ignore anyone.
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You better fucking believe I can ignore people whose ideologies I find repugnant. I'm not going to indulge someone who consistently defends the indefensible.
 
blueinsa said:
I don’t agree with him the vast majority of the time on Trump but I don’t agree with you here either.

It’s classic Bluemoon political thread tactics of you either agree with me wholeheartedly or I will stick you into a convenient box and call you thick, stupid, racist and I will even suggest you have mental issues.

He gets dogs abuse on here for being a republican who voted for and supports Trump. He then gives back with more than a hint of sarcasm in his posts.

You want empathy from him but show him none but let’s cut to the chase here, you don’t want empathy, you just don’t want anyone offering a different opinion.

I engaged with him the other night, made it quite clear I disagreed with him but I didn’t feel the need to then abuse him.
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It’s a point of view on his approach to communicating with obsessively antagonistic stance and dismissal of opposing views. That’s not a view formed in this thread but something that has been apparent on football issues in this site, long before Trump became a talking point.

Plenty of people voted for Trump, but they won’t all exhibit this sort of behaviour.
 
Palerider said:
Trump got 50% of the vote. The HARD right in Germany will probably get at least 20%, the HARD right in France is probably 25%, Italy voted for a right wing government. The UK is close to 50/50 right/left. We could all live in our comfortable little bubbles talking only to like minded people and dismissing the 'outsiders' of our bubble as stupid but that, I think, would be wrong. We all need to live in the real world and the real world has alternative views held by people who can vote. You have to debate your political opponents not just 'virtually' ban them so their view cannot be aired. Trying to ban political discussion by opponents is not the way forward.
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He and anyone else can hold whatever view they like.

Clearly Trump has a lot of support. And many will engage in reasonable debate, despite Trump’s attempt to move society away from this position. But this poster’s particular style of ‘debate’ on any topic is what I’m commenting on and the view of oneself that this demonstrates.

That’s not a Trump or a politics issue. It just happens that he has found a topic in Trump, that neatly meshes with - and in places encourages - his long standing approach to debate and self-aggrandising.
 
Palerider said:
Trump got 50% of the vote. The HARD right in Germany will probably get at least 20%, the HARD right in France is probably 25%, Italy voted for a right wing government. The UK is close to 50/50 right/left. We could all live in our comfortable little bubbles talking only to like minded people and dismissing the 'outsiders' of our bubble as stupid but that, I think, would be wrong. We all need to live in the real world and the real world has alternative views held by people who can vote. You have to debate your political opponents not just 'virtually' ban them so their view cannot be aired. Trying to ban political discussion by opponents is not the way forward.
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The UK isn't 50/50, in fact at a guess I'd say a good 60/ 70% are slightly right or slightle left of centre. Maybe the reform vote are fairly right wing and some tories. Not sure the left / far left are really represented or voted for by many at all.
 
blueparrot said:
The UK isn't 50/50, in fact at a guess I'd say a good 60/ 70% are slightly right or slightle left of centre. Maybe the reform vote are fairly right wing and some tories. Not sure the left / far left are really represented or voted for by many at all.
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It’s a fact that the vast majority of us are probably slightly left of centre economically in that we passionately defend the welfare state and its role in helping at the time in need, the NHS and public services yet socially we are slightly right of centre with regards to law and order, immigration etc.

Probably best summed up by the now fabled Labour red wall vote.
 
Palerider said:
Trump got 50% of the vote. The HARD right in Germany will probably get at least 20%, the HARD right in France is probably 25%, Italy voted for a right wing government. The UK is close to 50/50 right/left. We could all live in our comfortable little bubbles talking only to like minded people and dismissing the 'outsiders' of our bubble as stupid but that, I think, would be wrong. We all need to live in the real world and the real world has alternative views held by people who can vote. You have to debate your political opponents not just 'virtually' ban them so their view cannot be aired. Trying to ban political discussion by opponents is not the way forward.
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Personally I’ve got no problem with anyone having whatever political opinion they have and am always happy to debate them on that.

The issue nowadays is most of the conversations aren’t that though, they’re mainly debates about what the facts are that justify that opinion, the amount of disinformation has dumbed down the political debate entirely.
 
blueinsa said:
I don’t agree with him the vast majority of the time on Trump but I don’t agree with you here either.

It’s classic Bluemoon political thread tactics of you either agree with me wholeheartedly or I will stick you into a convenient box and call you thick, stupid, racist and I will even suggest you have mental issues.

He gets dogs abuse on here for being a republican who voted for and supports Trump. He then gives back with more than a hint of sarcasm in his posts.

You want empathy from him but show him none but let’s cut to the chase here, you don’t want empathy, you just don’t want anyone offering a different opinion.

I engaged with him the other night, made it quite clear I disagreed with him but I didn’t feel the need to then abuse him.
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He’s not thick, stupid, racist or a really a Republican; he worked on Obama’s campaign. I don’t want empathy from him. I want him to remove his head from his ass before the mid-term elections because people like him are why Trump is the President. He’s made a stupid decision (which non-stupid people do sometimes) and now he can’t justify it. He’s made a mistake. Rectifying it will be a good thing for the world.
 
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blueparrot said:
The UK isn't 50/50, in fact at a guess I'd say a good 60/ 70% are slightly right or slightle left of centre. Maybe the reform vote are fairly right wing and some tories. Not sure the left / far left are really represented or voted for by many at all.
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In my experience the far-right and the far-right appear to be over-represented, but that's mainly because they make the most noise.

In reality it's rather different. The great silent rump in the middle are the ones who decide on elections, not the fringes, but the fringes have a knack of dressing up, or even watering down, their own, often extreme agendas to seem appealing to those who are more easily swayed from that large rump e.g. Farage and his tried-and-trusted scapegoating of immigrants. Beyond that and his phoney patriotism, their isn't very much going on beyond a simple, but effective, cash-grabbing exercise.
 
jma said:
He and anyone else can hold whatever view they like.

Clearly Trump has a lot of support. And many will engage in reasonable debate, despite Trump’s attempt to move society away from this position. But this poster’s particular style of ‘debate’ on any topic is what I’m commenting on and the view of oneself that this demonstrates.

That’s not a Trump or a politics issue. It just happens that he has found a topic in Trump, that neatly meshes with - and in places encourages - his long standing approach to debate and self-aggrandising.
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He doesn’t debate in the usual meaning of the word. He is not interested in what is right, but just in being right.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
I usually drive past you and these posts but, having read this I find it staggering that you, and is this many like you, can’t actually take onboard peoples concerns and just treat is as a game.

It’s pure cowardice, bowing to something you don’t understand or refuse to relate to. Honestly, many have never seen anything like this. Your President has been so bad yet his followers have been worse.

However, like always, we should judge on the end result. After all, that’s what really matters.
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End result? Is that like a final solution?

"Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing. He is not a good man who, without a protest, allows wrong to be committed in his name, and the means which he helps to supply, because he will not trouble himself to use his mind on the subject.”
 
Agent Orangeski's caps lock is stuck this morning. Multiple posts all in caps.

As for this one:
ELON IS DOING A GREAT JOB, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HIM GET MORE AGGRESSIVE. REMEMBER, WE HAVE A COUNTRY TO SAVE, BUT ULTIMATELY, TO MAKE GREATER THAN EVER BEFORE. MAGA!

What the heck is he going to do with that encouragement? Actually use his new chainsaw?

Public Health Warning:
Trumpski is off to CPAC today. You have been warned.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
He’s not thick, stupid, racist or a really a Republican; he worked on Obama’s campaign. I don’t want empathy from him. I want him to remove his head from his ass before the mid-term elections because people like him are why Trump is the President. He’s made a stupid decision (which non-stupid people do sometimes) and now he can’t justify it. He’s made a mistake. Rectifying it will be a good thing for the world.
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Based on Dax's posts, I think the likelihood that Dax will ever vote for a Democrat once more are vanishingly small.
 
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