The conclusion of the Guardian article says a lot. 'While 72% of progressive activists view leave voters negatively, the same is true of 24% of “backbone conservatives” – the furthest right of the seven tribes – towards remain voters.' Now does that prove the thesis of lefties less likely to work with others, or that most "backbone conservatives" don't believe their own rhetoric?The right is gonna do what the right is gonna do.
Look on the bright side, all those grievance merchants that have been shouting "Oppressed! Oppressed!" on behalf of whoever's fashionable on the oppressed/oppressor scale, will now have to do a swift hat change to stay relevant coz now there's groups who are actually oppressed! Think of all the wonderful "I told you so" opportunities they'll be for the grifters! Still no worries, the progressive left can depend on all those allies they accumulated in the good times, except oh whoops! They don't have any! Coz they hate them, pissed them off with all those purity tests. I mean! Fuck me! How can you forge common cause with a pleb who can't spell intersectionality! Actually works at a factory farm, drives a diesel and knows the difference between men and women!
Navel-gazing, the politics of the self, of lived experience, that'll save us, and if the great unwashed disagree that's because they're ignorant haters, reactionary bastards, fuck em! We don't need em! Except! Oh shit! We do, aren't we supposed to be, like, on their side?
Leftwing activists less likely to work with political rivals than other UK groups, study finds
Exclusive: Lack of understanding by ‘progressive activists’ of other voting blocs has led to rise of far right, authors argue
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...y-work-political-rivals-other-uk-groups-study
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Trevor Morley's Tache
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The new DNI (who oversees the CIA) is Tulsi Gabbard, who was once described by the Kremlin as 'our girl'.
You're shit out of luck if you think the CIA are going to do anything, unless of course it sanctioned by Russia first.
Tulsi Gabbard’s history with Russia is even more concerning than you think
One expert says her views are ‘so wildly fringe that her potential appointment as DNI is genuinely alarming’, Richard Hall and Andrew Feinberg write
www.independent.co.uk
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Mate, you've missed the point...
'While 72% of progressive activists view leave voters negatively, the same is true of 24% of “backbone conservatives” – the furthest right of the seven tribes – towards remain voters.'
What this sentence highlights and should've been included is....
'While 72% of progressive activists view leave voters negatively, the same is true of only 24% of “backbone conservatives” – the furthest right of the seven tribes – towards remain voters.'
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mosssideblue
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There’s enough people with guns in the states, fingers crossed the next attempt is successfulThe new DNI (who oversees the CIA) is Tulsi Gabbard, who was once described by the Kremlin as 'our girl'.
You're shit out of luck if you think the CIA are going to do anything, unless of course it sanctioned by Russia first.
Tulsi Gabbard’s history with Russia is even more concerning than you think
One expert says her views are ‘so wildly fringe that her potential appointment as DNI is genuinely alarming’, Richard Hall and Andrew Feinberg write
bluethrunthru
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he is as thick as a Boxing Day shit
www.albawaba.com
Trump demands Taliban to return $7B military equipment | Al Bawaba
ALBAWABA - US President Donald Trump recently made headlines after rekindling his demand from Afghanistan's Taliban to return $7 billion worth of milita
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Errrrr?he is as thick as a Boxing Day shit
Trump demands Taliban to return $7B military equipment | Al Bawaba
ALBAWABA - US President Donald Trump recently made headlines after rekindling his demand from Afghanistan's Taliban to return $7 billion worth of milita
Why is the White House stealing $7bn from Afghans?
the Biden administration has begun a process to seize the more than $7bn of assets that the Central Bank of Afghanistan has on deposit at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. Since the Taliban gained control of the war-ravaged country last year, that money has been frozen in place. Now, the administration has concocted its own mega-grift.....https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/16/afghanistan-money-biden-white-hosue-us
FogBlueInSanFran
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Did you answer my question?
No.
End transmission.
But while we’re on the subject, you make a large number of generaliz(s)ations and assumptions about people of whom you know nothing.
Hence why I asked why YOU — personally — are scared. Just as an earlier poster some time ago posted about his disabled adult son he believed the UK government refused to help, which fed his anger at said government.
If you don’t want to answer me, fine — but just say so and we’ll move on.
bluethrunthru
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Its all going nowhere - its like the Grand Hotel ( or their insurers ) pursuing the Provisional IRA for reparations - just sloganeering not actual policy - we need to get away from that
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That was a question? Scared? It looked more like an accusation.
I don't know you, I know very little about you, I don't give a shit if you help little old ladies across the road, are kind to children and animals, prefer coffee over tea, none of these things matter to what you post, what you post stands or falls on its merits and too much of what you post doesn't stand up.
You don't know anything about me, you've no idea of my life story, circumstances, my experiences, you are in no position to make generalisations about me personally.
What is really significant though, whereas I don't consider these things important in my approach to your posts, you consider them important in your approach to mine.
Perversely and inadvertently, that's says a lot more about you than it does about me.
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FogBlueInSanFran
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THAT’S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION I DID. Sorry for shouting but Jesus tap dancing Christ I don’t know how to make myself any clearer.
Here, let’s do this: I’ll write the post for you. I see two options:
1. I don’t want to answer your question.
2. The fears I have that lead to my beliefs (or ideas) are ____________. And you fill in the blank.
Has anyone seen the woman being dragged out of a meeting by some unknown security people while the deplorables cheer?
Or the proudboys guy confronting a newly laid off government employee?
Dax777 and the rest of the Trumpists should be ashamed if there's violence soon. But they probably won't because admitting they were wrong would be far worse than decent people being hurt.
Or the proudboys guy confronting a newly laid off government employee?
Dax777 and the rest of the Trumpists should be ashamed if there's violence soon. But they probably won't because admitting they were wrong would be far worse than decent people being hurt.
Trevor Morley's Tache
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I posted it in the US politics thread.
The problem is, as I said in the other thread, the moment the left start pushing back forcefully, the Trump regime (and let's face it, it's no longer a conventional political party) will use it as an excuse to escalate and impose 'special measures', effectively bypassing the normal democratic and judicial processes.
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Maybe that's the problem with the rather tedious discussions on here. Everybody always sees just two options.
Trevor Morley's Tache
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There was always only 2 choices - Trump or not Trump.
FogBlueInSanFran
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The options I provided are answer the question or don’t. What other options are there FFS?
FogBlueInSanFran
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Oh they won’t say that. They’ll say “I voted for Trump but I didn’t vote for THIS”, whatever the “this” is. I’m already hearing this from not all but some of the Trump voting friends I have. But the problem with Trump isn’t his predictability — it’s his unpredictability. And only about a gazillion people said so beforehand. All were warned. So when you voted for him, you voted for uncertainty. And uncertainty includes outcomes that fuck you and others royally vs. the boring — but predictable — status quo.
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mosssideblue
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Sadly has kept breathing
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Trump is going to do what he will do, and that is democracy. I don’t think any American voted him back in thinking he was a conventional middle of the road politician. Personally, I am more concerned about what Europe does. It is really heartening to hear the new German Chancellor talking about Europe loosening the ties to the USA and taking responsibility for defence etc. it is absolutely what is needed in the short to medium term, so that this continent is not so constantly impacted by the political upheaval in the USA.
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You could take this exact quote, substitute 'Brexit' for 'Trump' and 'it' for 'him' and it would apply just as well to the UK.
I don't know of anyone who voted for the Brexit we have, as opposed to Brexit. I believe a lot of people, in both cases, wanted 'change'. But they did not necessarily think through, or even envisage, what the change would look like. They assumed the change they voted for would benefit them, or, at worst, not disbenefit them. In retrospect, this looks naive at best.