Russian invasion of Ukraine

Jimmieblue said:
Personally I think Trump wants Zelensky out and a new President in who will agree with his deal. After all I think that’s the only deal Ukraine will get.
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Putin and Trump will want a pro Russian leader in who is happy to have thousands of American miners there milking their minerals.

Make no mistake here, it’s classic American regime change politics in play again.
 
For those of you who are more knowledgeable on the geo political landscape than me potentially see a scenario where the US turn aggressive to the Uk and Europe and threaten us with military should we side completely with Ukraine?
 
Jimmieblue said:
Personally I think Trump wants Zelensky out and a new President in who will agree with his deal. After all I think that’s the only deal Ukraine will get.
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Maybe if that happens Zelensky won't lose as much face as backing down to the demands! Bottom line either there's a deal or the was will last indefinitely!
 
Blue warrior said:
For those of you who are more knowledgeable on the geo political landscape than me potentially see a scenario where the US turn aggressive to the Uk and Europe and threaten us with military should we side completely with Ukraine?
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Not a chance and we already are completely sided with Ukraine
 
Jimmieblue said:
Personally I think Trump wants Zelensky out and a new President in who will agree with his deal. After all I think that’s the only deal Ukraine will get.
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Putin will only let them bring in someone who is one of his puppets though so it's just going to strengthen Russia in the long term
 
dickie davies said:
Not a chance and we already are completely sided with Ukraine
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I know we are currently behind Ukraine I was think more with the way the Orange gimp is taking the US he’s unpredictable and obviously going against or at least not supporting Ukraine.
 
Blue warrior said:
For those of you who are more knowledgeable on the geo political landscape than me potentially see a scenario where the US turn aggressive to the Uk and Europe and threaten us with military should we side completely with Ukraine?
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Militarily is unlikely, trade then yes. But, Trump already wants to do this, so he’ll just dial it up even further.

Europe may have to treat the US as a hostile power and act accordingly to protect its interests.
 
BobKowalski said:
Militarily is unlikely, trade then yes. But, Trump already wants to do this, so he’ll just dial it up even further.

Europe may have to treat the US as a hostile power and act accordingly to protect its interests.
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Thanks I don’t fancy getting in any kind of military tussle with the yanks :)
 
Scottyboi said:
When they say that Ukraine is already completely destroyed, Ukrainian soldiers are fleeing, that they are not heroes, millions of civilians have died, and the President is a dictator. What can be the reaction? Where is the friendship between the USA and Ukraine? I have said it many times - be correct with the numbers, every person is important, we do not have millions of losses, these are not just territories, these are houses and people's lives, I do not think that repeating the same thing is good for partners, - Zelensky on the reasons for the heated conversation with Vance and Trump in an interview with the Fox News channel.

⚫️ Grateful to the Americans. US aid has been critically important since the beginning of the war.

⚫️ If anyone wants to verify the funds sent to us, we are open to that.

⚫️ I respect Trump and I respect the American people. But I'm not sure we did anything wrong. The Trump administration needs to hear Ukraine's position.

⚫️ As Reagan said, "peace is not the absence of war." That's why I said the ceasefire would be broken.

⚫️ We are strategic partners. In these difficult times, we must be honest.

⚫️ We would not like to lose our biggest partner.

⚫️ If you had the opportunity to return to the White House right now, would you return?
Zelensky: No.

⚫️ Only Ukrainians elect the President of Ukraine — in response to Republican Lindsey Graham, who called on Zelenskyy to resign.

⚫️ I don't know if today's situation in the White House was planned.

⚫️ I think we need to discuss something without the media. We are very close partners with the US.

⚫️ President Trump wants to end this war, no one wants it more than we do. In Ukraine, we are fighting for freedom, for our lives.

⚫️ I can't tell my people, "Stop." No one will stop, because everyone is afraid that Putin will come back tomorrow.

⚫️ I can't change our attitude towards the Russians because they are murderers. That doesn't mean we don't want peace.

⚫️ I'm grateful to Trump that he wants to end the war, but Putin has violated the ceasefire 25 times.

⚫️ Ukrainians just want to hear that the US is on our side, not Russia's.

⚫️ It is very important to stop Putin. I have heard from President Trump that he will stop the war and I hope that it will be with our European allies.

⚫️ No one wants the war to end more than we, Ukrainians.

⚫️ We are ready to sign an agreement on minerals, but this is not enough.

⚫️ We are ready for peace. But we have to be in a strong position. We need guarantees.

⚫️ My relationship with Trump can be saved. Historically, the relationship between our peoples is strong. The Americans helped save the Ukrainians.

@ukrainejournal
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I think Zelensky was talking about Putin breaking ceasefires in general - as there has never been a ceasefire in Ukraine.
 
Blue warrior said:
I know we are currently behind Ukraine I was think more with the way the Orange gimp is taking the US he’s unpredictable and obviously going against or at least not supporting Ukraine.
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Certainly since he was elected, trump has been banging the drum that this is Europe's war and Europe needs to step up as he is withdrawing US aid to Ukraine
It's only since Zelensky offered the US a potential deal on rare materials, which allerted trump's greed, to maybe a change in policy
 
The Orange man baby is the very definition of a narcissist and bully.
Imho he also thinks “real estate” at every turn. To me this is every bit a manoeuvre with the Ruzzski dwarf to grab hold of the land and minerals.
I felt so sorry for Zelenskyy. He was absolutely ambushed and Republican or not the Americans should feel ashamed and embarrassed today.
Fuck MAGA, Tesla and the orange gimp.
 
Blue warrior said:
For those of you who are more knowledgeable on the geo political landscape than me potentially see a scenario where the US turn aggressive to the Uk and Europe and threaten us with military should we side completely with Ukraine?
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I don’t think so. Trump wants to end the war and re-establish good relations with Russia. He can’t force Ukraine to end the war, but he doesn’t need Ukraine’s approval to pursue improved relations with Russia.

I suspect after yesterday’s events he will tell the American people that he tried his best to achieve peace, but found Zelenskyy unreceptive to the idea, so will end America’s support for Ukraine until they are ready for serious talks.

Unless Zelenskyy immediately comes back to the table and indicates that he is willing to engage with the process constructively.

How long will Ukraine last without American military and financial support? Sure Europe could step into the breach, but psychologically and practically the loss of American support would be a huge blow for Ukraine, in my opinion, a fatal one.

So Trump can wait this one out in the knowledge that he’s handing Europe the mother of all hospital passes, and at some point, Zelenskyy will be forced to come back to the table.

In the meantime many Ukrainians are going to die, but Trump’s calculation may be that this is preferable to indefinitely extending the stalemate situation, because that would lead to far more deaths in the long run.

I fail to see what Zelenskyy achieved from the meeting yesterday. In fact, Trump’s problem was that he had a sizeable minority of his own supporters who were broadly pro Ukraine (the Lindsay Graham types), and they are now mostly in Trump’s camp. Total disaster imo.
 
Hgblue2 said:
I don’t think so. Trump wants to end the war and re-establish good relations with Russia. He can’t force Ukraine to end the war, but he doesn’t need Ukraine’s approval to pursue improved relations with Russia.

I suspect after yesterday’s events he will tell the American people that he tried his best to achieve peace, but found Zelenskyy unreceptive to the idea, so will end America’s support for Ukraine until they are ready for serious talks.

Unless Zelenskyy immediately comes back to the table and indicates that he is willing to engage with the process constructively.

How long will Ukraine last without American military and financial support? Sure Europe could step into the breach, but psychologically and practically the loss of American support would be a huge blow for Ukraine, in my opinion, a fatal one.

So Trump can wait this one out in the knowledge that he’s handing Europe the mother of all hospital passes, and at some point, Zelenskyy will be forced to come back to the table.

In the meantime many Ukrainians are going to die, but Trump’s calculation may be that this is preferable to indefinitely extending the stalemate situation, because that would lead to far more deaths in the long run.

I fail to see what Zelenskyy achieved from the meeting yesterday. In fact, Trump’s problem was that he had a sizeable minority of his own supporters who were broadly pro Ukraine (the Lindsay Graham types), and they are now mostly in Trump’s camp. Total disaster imo.
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Thanks blue.
 
Putin will not want this to escalate to a war with Europe, within it's borders. There are two cities in Russia, Moscow and Leningrad, take them out and Russia is done for. Putin and the Europeans know this. As for their land army, have you seen them. They are meat to the grinder to feed Putins ego. Yes, it has nukes as a threat but nobody would back him using them as it would mean destruction for everyone.
 
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