President Trump

[threespires]

New Zealand fires UK envoy Phil Goff over Trump comments

Phil Goff asked if Trump "understands history" as he contrasted him with Sir Winston Churchill.

www.bbc.co.uk

he should be applauded not fired IMHO

It's a really difficult situation because in the short term it's probably in our interests to have a veneer of cooperation with them. However we also know how appeasement ends.

The Nazi's didn't individually surpress each and every voice against them. They got the population to do it for them by introducing sanctions not just for speaking out against them but for failing to report others for doing so. That's how you turn brother against brother before you ask either of them to pick up a gun.

If the 'free world' chooses to wholesale silence it's own opposition to what's happening in the US it'll make things worse but in the short term we need to pick our battles smartly. Throwing them some bones as we try to get our shit in a pile is probably necessary. It's a difficult balancing act that I hope our politicians are capable of.

 

[BlueRockape]

Well said and having been to the US I agree that it is a mix of different countries and the people are invariably friendly, but most people do not visit the US and the US is Trump and Musk. Right now and for the foreseeable future the US is inimical to the security and prosperity of the UK and Europe and we will have to treat the country and its people with that in mind. You cannot divorce the administration from the people that elected them.

Once the trust is gone, the US is never going to get it back. That is the reality and one we all have to face going forward.

The leaders of Europe are beginning to realise this.
Hopefully we won't have war but we will realise we do not need our friends across the pond that will be to there detriment not ours.
It could lead to a stronger more secure Europe

 

[Tommy_Catons_Perm]

Again another cuppa and another thought about where the world is heading. Again not sure exactly where to post this.

But have the two 'big dogs' of the world stage basically realised that instead of being in conflict with each other that they're better off being on friendly terms and then they can refocus their efforts on taking what they want rather than basically cancelling each other out.

- Russia could take Ukraine and the Baltic States (Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania)
- The US could take Greenland and Canada
And I guess China could take Taiwan.

As long as they don't have conflicting interests then I don't see why the above can't happen if the US leave NATO.

1984. Oceania. Eurasia. Eastasia.

 

[Blue Maverick]

He doesn't have the political capital for that. He's in his honeymoon period but a lot of what he is doing is eroding his support. If markets keep heading down and his approval ratings follow then it will start to look different.

The concern is that the natural checks to power you get in a democracy depend on a free press and regular elections. The GOP would want to remain electable and avoid bad press. But if these is no bad press and no elections then he can do whatever he wants.

You’re last sentence is been done already, he’s banning any press that doesn’t toe the line, and he’s going for the constitution with his judges. He’s not even done two months and look at what he’s done, fudging figures etc his disciples are lapping it up that us until their pick up truck costs twice as much that’s why he paused the Tariffs on automotive industry, the tanks love their gas guzzlers and prices are set to rise at least by $6-12k per car.

 

[BlueRockape]

If I recall correctly his neice who is a shrink wrote a book in which she stated he is a psychopath.
Wonder where she is

 

[Grassland Blue]

The world needs a hippy Woodstock moment, sadly I don't think it'll happen. The best hope is the US economy tanks.

Boycott Mcds Subway Kfc Bud beer JD, Chrysler etc..
That will help.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Boycott Mcds Subway Kfc Bud beer JD, Chrysler etc..
That will help.

I do anyway they are all shite

 

[Vic]

You'd hope they'd be losing members.

 

[St.Pauli support]

Reuters say,
trump regime see 240,000 Ukrainians in the US as part of 1.8m immigrants to lose protected status. Upcoming initiative in April.
Nice move! No surprise.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Was thinking this myself the other day. A unified European fighting force was widely seen in the right wing press a decade or so ago, as an even further circle of hell than political union, which I never quite got. It makes absolute strategic sense for Europe to have a common military, as it did at the time of the Brexit vote in 2016. It’s not like the threat from Russia is anything new.

No one could have predicted the way things would turn in under a decade, although that’s sort of the point. Why narrow your national options in a way that simply wasn’t necessary?

There was clearly an assumption by nearly everyone who voted in the referendum, leave or remain, that the trans-Atlantic alliance was immutable, and I wonder how differently the vote would have turned out, without any other variables whatsoever, if people had known the scope of the deterioration of US conduct towards Europe and especially the UK at the time of the referendum.

And so many of the major actors preaching independence and sovereignty would have seriously welcomed being the 51st state. Perhaps now, not so much.
Given the EU leaders are meeting today and our PM is notable for not being there, it’s a shame Starmer won’t grasp the nettle and start making moves to rejoin as Trump is making the case far better than Cameron ever managed….

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Reuters say,
trump regime see 240,000 Ukrainians in the US as part of 1.8m immigrants to lose protected status. Upcoming initiative in April.
Nice move! No surprise.

that just got mentioned on the BBC too.

 

[BlueRockape]

Reuters say,
trump regime see 240,000 Ukrainians in the US as part of 1.8m immigrants to lose protected status. Upcoming initiative in April.
Nice move! No surprise.

This **** really has it in for Ukrainians

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

A lot of what he does is distraction.

People are talking about Canada, Greenland and Ukraine. They are not talking about Kash Patel and the FBI.

Or Agent Tulsi at DNI.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

This is pretty common knowledge.

Common knowledge is a bit strong.

It's always been speculative outside of the Washington bubble. There will be very few who know for certain.

This would certainly count as leverage if someone had solid evidence they were holding over him.

 

[Cheer Up Peter Reid]

Boycott Mcds Subway Kfc Bud beer JD, Chrysler etc..
That will help.

Amazon is the one for me. It's going to be a big inconvenience and probably cost me more, but if enough people do it that would send a very loud message.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I just can't get my head round why he's started a fight with Canada it just makes no sense other than he wants to get his hand on their natural resources.
Unhinged lunatic.

I can't get my head around Navarro coming out and saying this shit on live TV with a straight face, especially after him ending up in prison partially becuase a TV interview was used as evidence against him in court.

 

[mosssideblue]

I can see an opportunity for us to persuade European allies to help to pay for it now they know they can’t rely on the US.

Only if we divorce from the US

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Reuters say,
trump regime see 240,000 Ukrainians in the US as part of 1.8m immigrants to lose protected status. Upcoming initiative in April.
Nice move! No surprise.

Yes, they really are malevolent pondlife.

 

[BlueRockape]

People are asking what putin has on Trump.
Maybe the fact he is married to a communist could go a long way to discover his dirty little secrets.
Let's face it as a model and successful business woman in her own right she ain't with him for his good looks

 

[blueparrot]

Just had an American couple in my shop, and obviously didn't bring politics up with them Got me wondering though whether Americans living and working in Europe have experienced any detrimental effects on how they are treated due to Trumps actions.